Remember when Alan Dershowitz condoned torture in the war on terra?

He and other naive, deluded prominent individuals have helped unleash the fascist dogs of war. How anybody could have trusted the * administration after selection 2000 is beyond my comprehension. Obviously Dershowitz thought that post 9/11 ANYTHING GOES! Truly despicable coming from a distinguished Harvard law professor, who wrote a scathing book documenting SCOTUS Bush v. Gore treasonous ruling. I wonder if he's ashamed. If he's not he should be.
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exactly you're talking about. Please take the time to inform those of us who may have missed what Mr. Dershowitz has said (recently?).

I thought most knew.

There were some WP articles (sometimes with named sources) of debate within FBI, CIA, police, lawyers.

There was discussion of the possibility of sending prisoners to countries 'with a better tradition' of torture.

Dershowitz supported this; I found this very shocking.

The whole debate was in the context of the MAJOR changes to US laws under the Patriot Act, W's executive order authorizing secret arrests/trials/executions/no appeal, and Ashcroft's order authorizing recording of prisoner-lawyer conversations.

There were MAJOR CHANGES MADE IN THE US LEGAL SYSTEM with no citizen input.

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It's true...

My first time here...but I recall that saywhat...will have to do a search for a link!

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In fairness to Dershowitz, what he was talking about in his book had nothing to do with this kind of thing. I strongly disagree with Dershowitz on this matter (see link below), but we should recognize that he was advocating limited use of non-lethal torture for the specific purpose of preventing a horrendous crime.

What happened in Abu Ghraib was nothing like that. That was torture for the pleasure of the torturers. It was pure humiliation and simply pointless.

Why Torture Doesn't Work: A Critique of Alan Dershowitz' Case for Torture by Jack Rabbit (Democratic Underground, March 11)

But, now, it's even more plainly obvious that this crap doesn't fly.

I'll bet it seemed much different in theory than it looks (for all the world to see) in practice.

Again, I think it is unfair to lay Abu Ghraib at Dershowitz' feet; even though I don't agree with what he has to say about torture, no one should assume he would condone what was happening in Abu Ghraib on the basis of his thesis in his book, Why Terrorism Works. In fact, I think he would join us in condemning what happened there.

Nevertheless, this is why we don't allow torture and why Dershowitz' thesis is so abominable. This kind of thing can't be finessed. It's just wrong.

How anybody could have trusted the * administration after selection 2000 is beyond my comprehension. Obviously Dershowitz thought that post 9/11 ANYTHING GOES!

This sort of thing goes on in wartime, or any time men and women are holding power over "the other." It's not unique to the present administration other than that the administration made it possible for men and women to be in that situation.

Alan Dershowitz says a lot more than his prayers, and not all of it worth much, IMO. What happened to the Iraqis is totally wrong... but it happens. It happens in wartime, it happens in our prisons, and good grief... didn't you ever read Lord of the Flies?

My hope is that the people involved are punished with more than a slap on the wrist. I hope they are made to serve those they tormented in some way to attempt restitution somehow, although I don't know exactly how they could. I hope as well that the military takes whatever measures are necessary to make sure that personnel are aware of the wrongness of these kinds of actions and will think twice if they are ever tempted to do something similar. I also hope that there is better supervision, so that someone will stop it before it starts.

At the same time, my prayer is that I will never be in a situation like the one they were in. I'd like to believe that I would never do anything similar, but I know that given all the wrong circumstances I might. Let's indeed be outraged, but let's also do what we can to see to it that wars don't happen in the future. War causes this sort of thing... not Bush, not Dershowitz, but wars.

yes i remember. i knew people were talking about how they could go beyond in their torture to get information now with 9/11 events. and he was one. thank you for this reminder. i think it is time to get him back on the camera and ask if this is what he was endorsing.

thanks you guys....have been reading for awhile and send your posts to dem publicist and senator's aides....

You're all way too cool and so on top of it...best site on the web!

kind of thing that went on in those photos from being anything close to exceptable.

I don't know where you get off blaming him for something he specifically said should never happen.

""My basic point, though, is we should never under any circumstances allow low-level people to administer torture. If torture is going to be administered as a last resort in the ticking-bomb case, to save enormous numbers of lives, it ought to be done openly, with accountability, with approval by the president of the United States or by a Supreme Court justice. I don't think we're in that situation in this case.

BLITZER: Well, how do you know ...

DERSHOWITZ: So we might be close.

BLITZER: Alan, how do you know he doesn't have that kind of ticking-bomb information right now, that there's some plot against New York or Washington that he was involved in and there's a time sensitivity? If you knew that, if you suspected that, you would say get the president to authorize torture.""

and I'm surprised anyone here would make the connection.

The entire Iraq "war" was a crime from the get-go. And it continues to be. And it is finally being revealed as exactly that, in unexpected ways.

Arabs and filthy Muslims. He actually has a long history of this. Back when he was known as a staunch supporter of free speech and civil rights, he argued that Palestinian rights groups should not have the right to public speech or demonstration because they are "anti-Semetic". Dershowitz has always been an Arab/Muslim-hating racist bum.