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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 10:35 AM
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Hamill: My take:
We really did negotiate with the Iraqis. That's how Hamill was left alone to 'escape.' Halliburton probably coughed up some money but it is a fact that the Marines withdrew from Fallujah and a former Saddam official is now in charge. Don't tell me we don't negotiate with terrorists. We do. Especially when they are kicking our butts. Since we can't fess up to doing this, the story is that Hamill escaped.
Now you have to ask yourself, why would terrorists holding him, having moved him 100 miles from where he was abducted, suddenly give him an "opportunity to escape" as it is now being termed? Do you really believe this? It's all a cover for our negotiating with the "terrorists."
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 10:42 AM
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1. yup sure smells like somebody did some wheeling and dealing eom
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 10:59 AM
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2. They really must be counting on the stupidity of the American people.
And most of the time at least 36% don't disappoint (remember those who do not mind the torture when taking polls on the Internet?)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:05 AM
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3. A feel-good Yellow Ribbon story to get torture off the front pages...
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:33 AM
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6. it actually highlights the torture story
it seems Hamill was treated humanely by his captors, which can make people
ask themselves, are the insurgents really the "enemies of civilization?"

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:25 AM
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4. There's something really odd about this. I don't know what it is, yet.
Have to wait to see how the media and Hamill handle it. CNN at noon just said he "escaped." I thought...hmmmm. Maybe it was a "set up" and he wasn't really captured.

The only reason I think this, is that I thought his caputure would be all over the news for weeks like Kobe/Jackson, because he was a "dairy farmer" who had to sell his farm and take a job in Iraq to pay for his wife's heart surgery." This is the kind of story the Media loves. Why did they hold back on it? Could it be that they thought something was fishy with his capture? Not that I trust media, but maybe they thought when the truth came out they would have egg on their face so they never made a big deal of it.

Now all of a sudden he "escapes" today? When the WH needed some good news. Plus, "escaped" sounds heroic whereas released doesn't.

I don't want to get too :tinfoilhat: will have to see what else comes out.

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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:29 AM
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5. I think the reason the media played down the story
was the reason he went to Iraq: his dairy farm went belly up and he needed money for his wife's heart operation. Those are Bush failures: jobs and health care. Plus he worked for Halliburton which is making billions on the war.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 08:55 PM
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8. Here's the latest. It's now called a "Daring Escape" on Yahoo:
Hostage Safe
2 hours, 8 minutes ago

Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo!

By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - In a daring escape, American hostage Thomas Hamill pried open the doors of the house where he was being held late Sunday morning and ran a half-mile to a military convoy that was passing by, officials and his wife said. Insurgents attacked U.S. forces across Iraq (news - web sites), killing 11 Americans.


AP Photo


AP Photo
Slideshow: Iraq


Latest headlines:
· Family Cheers Escape of Hostage in Iraq
AP - 9 minutes ago
· 11 Troops Die in Iraq; Contractor Escapes
AP - 31 minutes ago
· Iraqi Prisoner Details Abuse by Americans
AP - 36 minutes ago
Special Coverage



Hamill, 43, of Macon, Miss., identified himself to the U.S. soldiers, then led them back to his Iraqi captors, two of whom were captured.

Hamill, a truck driver for a Halliburton Corp. subsidiary, escaped more than three weeks after being abducted April 9 by gunmen who blasted the convoy he was driving on the outskirts of Baghdad. An American soldier abducted in the same attack remains missing, and at least four of Hamill's co-workers were killed.

Hamill had not been heard from since the day after the attack, when his kidnappers released a video of him standing in front of an Iraqi flag and threatened to kill him within 12 hours unless the United States ended its siege of Fallujah, 35 miles west of Baghdad.

Hamill's escape came two days after Marines started pulling back from Fallujah under a new agreement ending their assault on the insurgent stronghold.
Hostage Safe
2 hours, 8 minutes ago

Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo!

By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - In a daring escape, American hostage Thomas Hamill pried open the doors of the house where he was being held late Sunday morning and ran a half-mile to a military convoy that was passing by, officials and his wife said. Insurgents attacked U.S. forces across Iraq (news - web sites), killing 11 Americans.


AP Photo


AP Photo
Slideshow: Iraq


Latest headlines:
· Family Cheers Escape of Hostage in Iraq
AP - 9 minutes ago
· 11 Troops Die in Iraq; Contractor Escapes
AP - 31 minutes ago
· Iraqi Prisoner Details Abuse by Americans
AP - 36 minutes ago
Special Coverage



Hamill, 43, of Macon, Miss., identified himself to the U.S. soldiers, then led them back to his Iraqi captors, two of whom were captured.

Hamill, a truck driver for a Halliburton Corp. subsidiary, escaped more than three weeks after being abducted April 9 by gunmen who blasted the convoy he was driving on the outskirts of Baghdad. An American soldier abducted in the same attack remains missing, and at least four of Hamill's co-workers were killed.

Hamill had not been heard from since the day after the attack, when his kidnappers released a video of him standing in front of an Iraqi flag and threatened to kill him within 12 hours unless the United States ended its siege of Fallujah, 35 miles west of Baghdad.

Hamill's escape came two days after Marines started pulling back from Fallujah under a new agreement ending their assault on the insurgent stronghold.
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:00 AM
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9. A little fishy,
don't you think?

So, Hamill hears a convoy going by, pries open the door where he's being held, runs one-half mile to a U.S. convoy and asks for help.

Was this the FIRST time he's heard a convoy go by?

He pried open the door? Where were his keepers?

He runs in the streets and no one sees him?

I also heard this morning that soldiers returned to the house where Hamill was being held and arrested two people. What were his captors doing while Hamill was opening the door and running in the street?

Oh, and the soldiers confiscated an AK-47 rifle from the "captors.".

Hmmmm....


(no link, just an olio of what I've heard and read)


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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:57 PM
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7. kick
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:02 AM
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10. repukes have ALWAYS negotiated with hostage takers
Does Iran/Contra ring a bell???????????????????????
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Rick in Maryland Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:22 AM
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11. The TV movie will show him running in slow motion to the
awaiting American troops while Lee Greenwood's "I'm Proud To Be
An American" plays.
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:24 AM
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12. So how about Pfc. Keith M. Maupin? Why just a civilian contractor...
and not the sole "prisoner of war" included?
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:29 AM
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13. Maupin is not a POW,
he's officially a "hostage" -- the war is over, don't you remember the Mission Accomplished banner?
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