I hope everyone caught this aspect of Gore kicking arse

"After all, this President has claimed the right for his executive branch to send his assistants into every public library in America and secretly monitor what the rest of us are reading. That's been the law ever since the Patriot Act was enacted. If we have to put up with such a broad and extreme invasion of our privacy rights in the name of terrorism prevention, surely he can find a way to let this National Commission know how he and his staff handled a highly specific warning of terrorism just 36 days before 9/11."

http://www.moveon.org/gore-speech.html

that's hitting him right where he lives.

And that is EXACTLY the kind of rhetoric we need.

here's hoping the bar has been raised sufficiently that the Dem Candidates can make remarks like this as their NICEST

:toast: to the Elected President

Here it is from their website, It's fallen off their most recent video list, let's get it onto their most watched videos:

http://video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/archive/iraq/iraq080703_gore.rm

:hi:

what a speech...truth from the heart ...gore must get back in the run! america needs him to survive....RE-ELECT AL GORE IN 04

BUT IF HE DOES NOT KUCINICH IS MY MAN

But how many voters will ever even be aware of his speech? Gore has the worst luck of any politician I have even heard of (who wasn't assasinated): to have Ah-nuld be the superstory on that very day!!!!!

:argh:

Al Gore will go down in History Very Well.. the other one----

bush ..is a giant Boil on the United States of America and the World.

That, along with his direct (and clearly heartfelt) assault on BushCo's "honor and integrity", just about knocked me out of my chair.

It's also worth noting that the RW media has completely ignored this *critical* challenge from Gore and, instead, has focussed completely on the "I'll endorse someone" aspect in his speech. As usual, it plays up the "all politics" angle, while completely ignoring the serious and damning issues he raised.

I'm not a Gore fan, but this speech was one of the best things I've seen from him to date, and the media response (or non-response, more accurately) is a solid reminder of just how far to the right today's media corporations have veered.


MDN

I'm not a Gore fan, but this speech was one of the best things I've seen from him to date, and the media response (or non-response, more accurately) is a solid reminder of just how far to the right today's media corporations have veered.

Listened to the speech streamed onto my lab computer, yelling "Right on!" and thumping the chair every coupla minutes. Best speech I've ever seen Gore give, but gawd I'd have traded a left nut to hear him use the word "lie." That was the only weak point, IMO. False impressions indeed!

But this was one hell of a speech.

So why should he be left out of the pig sty?

what?

:wtf: did that mean?

not sure what you mean by huh?

Mayhap you could be more clear.

It's a very good speech, don't get me wrong. Why do I feel it is good? because he does tick off one by one what many of us here already know, and I guess that is why I agree wholeheartedly with this one comment he makes in the speech, "Earlier, I mentioned the feeling many have that something basic has gone wrong. Whatever it is, I think it has a lot to do with the way we seek the truth and try in good faith to use facts as the basis for debates about our future -- allowing for the unavoidable tendency we all have to get swept up in our enthusiasms."

Personally I do feel, Gore points out the infection in pragmatic terms and pretty much does voice my own thoughts and observations on the matter. I am way too cynical today, and therefore am not moved by the rhetoric, and I still remain unmoved that any of the democratic candidates we are being offered are what I call breakaway enough from the status quo (or the pig sty as I have come to call it). Therefore, at the very same time, my comment was mostly indicative of just not wanting to get too swept up in too much enthusiasm.

I understand from a politcal standpoint restraint within these charges Gore ticks off is necessary to stay within the realm of status quo procedures and protocol. We are dealling with a corporate coup within our own government as he very politely points out. I just feel he falls short, but understand this isn't really a criticism. For my tastes I long to hear language that is a bit riskier is all.

The restraint I speak of is evident in regard to what he does not reveal and is most transparent in and around his comments concerning the taliban and afghanistan. I do not miss that fact that much IS implied, I just feel he is restrained by the status quo and the status quo is slimy dirty more than ever...

Since my comment has attracted attention however, I will admit that it was probably too cynical all in all. Gores speech says what I believe to be all the proper things, and I probably should credit him for a masterful and stoic presentation as well. My cynism is pervasive right now as is my indifference, my response to the lead post was just indicative of vast disappointment of almost everything I see going on around me...

I want a breakway candidate... I do not believe any of them are... perhaps I am wrong...

and well within the new guidelines.

:)

:hi:

:)

without the context you've shared here :hi:

sometimes you post stuff to the lead post you don't have much or any dialogue with anyone (which is okay by me) so I say what comes out...anyway:hi:back!

Speech before http://www.moveon.org


It was like ..All right, Al! :kick: some republican ass~

after hiding out in the TN forest for two years...plotting his REVENGE!!!

even if he's not running, i hope he hits the speaker and media tour hard! BRING IT ON!

I think that Al Gore is enjoying his role outside the confines of a formal candidacy.

He's also speaking up to issues even better than Bill Clinton, who gave the Bush Cabal an unwarranted pass on Iraq.

:hi:

And I mean ... nothing. Absolutely nothing!

Nice catch, Will!

Thank you Mr. Gore.

Gore (5th para from end of speech:

"If the 21st century is to be well started, we need a national agenda that is worked out in concert with the people, a healing agenda that is built on a true national consensus. Millions of Americans got the impression that George W. Bush wanted to be a "healer, not a divider", a president devoted first and foremost to "honor and integrity." Yet far from uniting the people, the president's ideologically narrow agenda has seriously divided America. His most partisan supporters have launched a kind of 'civil cold war' against those with whom they disagree."
--http://www.moveon.org/gore-speech.html

How's that for a statement of truth? When I watched it last night I nearly jumped out of my seat -- he nailed it!

A civil cold war is exactly what we're fighting and it sure is ugly. :grr: :grr: :grr:

I am glad to see that he noted that millions of Americans know that something has gone wrong since the Bush coup of 2000.

I thought the wording (from the text at moveon.org) was sort of coded when he wrote "systematic effort to manipulate facts in service to a totalistic ideology"

I should look up that word, I suppose, but it certainly has the connotation of totalitarian for me, and I would imagine for most other people as well.

It is important that Gore is a centrist saying these things.

It is important that he quoted the nobel prize economist who accurately pegged Bush's economic policy as "a form of looting."

I have a feeling, and it's just a feeling, so it means nothing, except that economies are lead by feeling as much as anything else (investor confidence, for one), and I feel that if the republicans who are decent and honest do not get these freaks out of power (because, frankly, republicans now control all branches of the govt and they are accountable for those who bear their name), anyway, if the Bush junta continues, we are looking at a terrible financial crisis.

America will learn humility the hard way, through this, and maybe, just maybe Americans will grow up a little bit.

however, seeing the reaction to Arnold doesn't give me much hope for a sophisticated electorate (or population, for that matter) anytime soon.

so, get out of debt, don't take on debt, and save what you can for the coming hard times.

Dubya has the worst job creation record since Hoover, an economic scandal worse than Teapot Dome, and no accountability via George.

of course, the financial ruin George is creating might be averted because he and his truly insane advisors may blow us and the rest of the earth into nuclear winter or some other fresh hell.

george sure does inspire confidence in the future, huh?

contribution...IMHO, it echos some of my own concerns. I guess we just stay tuned.

Man, that's a gauntlet if ever there was one.

People have got to ask, badger, persist, and ask again:
WTF were you doing before September 11, 2001 Mr. Bush? You presided over the GREATEST SECURITY FAILURE in the history of this country!!!

ask, badger, persist, and ask again
ask, badger, persist, and ask again
ask, badger, persist, and ask again
ask, badger, persist, and ask again
ask, badger, persist, and ask again
ask, badger, persist, and ask again
ask, badger, persist, and ask again.......

That and the fact that he welcomed the commission
to the Clinton admin. papers and intel stuff ..

I taped the speech , and it will be required viewing for any
individual who comes to my house and stays for 35 minutes .

If it's covered at all it's as a sports event. The commentary is all around 'is he tossing his hat in,' 'who will he endorse,' etc. - no discussion of the SUBSTANCE.

YES, that's HUGE that he's calling bush out on hiding the 9/11 cover-up. YES, he's accusing Limbo et al. of starting a civil cold war - Coulter's McCarthy comments seal that. YES, he's calling BushCO totalitarians.

WHY no coverage? Has anyone seen actual analysis/coverage of the CONTENT of the speech rather than his style, the timing, his motives, etc.?