We don't just need an investigation into the Iraqi prisons...

We need to have complete and thorough investigation into all US run prisons run in Guantanamo, Afghanistan, Bosnia, or any other prisons our country may be operating in any of the over 200 countries that we may be in. Same thing goes for any prisons being run by the US military for US military prisoners.

And we can't stop there either. We need to find out what is going on in our own civilian prisons here in America too. These soldiers that are depicted in the photos we have been seeing worked as either guards or in some other capacity in our own prison system. I noticed that in all the photos that none of the soldiers were non-Caucasians too. That disturbs me. Could be a coincidence I guess? But I think any prisoner who has been under the watch of these soldiers in our prison system over civilians needs to be interviewed right away. And to have any records of unexplained deaths, medical care needed, or past complaints of maltreatment looked over again.

Some of these soldiers are on record as saying that they had no training of how to treat prisoners. I hope like hell that doesn't mean that they just continued on with what they had been doing as civilians guards in our prison system. I really do hope that. But I am not encouraged by what I have seen and heard so far. I think the war on terror begins at home?

Don

...Governor of my state investigated 25 prisoners on death row in my state soon after he took office some years ago and it was shown that 13 of the 25 men were innocent. Many of them had been tortured into confessing to crimes that they did not do.

Don

My reading on this is that it is not a "lack of training" or any other lame excuse being offered officially, but a complicity of the staff w/covert interrogators who are trained in the School of the Americas-type interrogation techniques.

"But these soldiers aren't simply mavericks. Some accused claim they acted on the orders of military intelligence and the CIA, and that some of the torture sessions were under the control of mercenaries hired by the US to conduct interrogations. Two "civilian contract" organisations taking part in interrogations at Abu Ghraib are linked to the Bush administration."

SEE http://truthout.org/docs_04/050304A.shtml

I fear that a lot of rogue elements in the intelligence and military community have been unleashed by Bushco from the very start and have been emboldened and strengthened by the 9/11 aftermath. I'm not sure whether the photos were amateurish buffoonery on the part of their dupes in the MP squads, or sheer arrogance.

May I make use of it?

There is some dispute as to origin, however, my source is www.AWOLBush.com. So my permission is not really good, in a legal way but I don't think the creator(s) mind.

Those dip ships still think they are going to find WMDs or a viable link between Saddam and 911

That's what I want to know. This crap about "no info given on the Geneva Convention" doesn't hold water. Besides that, where were the chaplains? The military is strangely silent about the role of the military chaplains.

How can 'good Christians' excuse this horrible behavior? It's easy if you never mention that all soldiers have access to chaplain services.

What I mean is that I doubt everyone in the MP battalion in Iraq has a job as a guard in the US. Some may be police officers. As civilians I doubt they have as much leeway to get away with the crap we're reading about in Iraq. Sure some stuff happens and it ends up in prison time and lawsuits.

It takes a certain personality type to be a police officer. They used to test for that on the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality test. That quality plus the need for intelligence may have combined to produce what happened in Iraq. I don't think the same conditions exist in Leavenworth. Cuba might be a different story, but I thought the prisoners there were visited by the Red Cross.

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I would probably think also that torture and humiliation is a legal and effective interrogation technique.

Only with extensive training this idea can be corrected.