Just on Limbaugh--Compares Abu Ghraib photos to frat stunt,

Skull and Bones initiation, totally downplaying the significance. No sense of moral outrage at all. Everyone is too worked up about this he says. Of course I pulled into my driveway and wasn't going to keep listening to hear the callers.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1519164

Check out this website from the author of Blinded by the Right. Along the left side of the page are links to various articles. This maneuver from the RWnuts is one of the articles.

how they are echoed as well as the outright falsehoods (even though these are frequently the same!)?

be considered acceptable means of obtaining info from them?

Americans troops are shown on tv after being captured.

I don't even think Hannity has a brain, he keeps repeating the same statements over and over. No matter what, he is always in agreement with what "ol' Chimpy" is doing. He just regurgitates what ever he hears, or halfway reads.

He's pretty much a hannity wannabe. The spin was that this is just a hazing like at a frat, which it obviously isn't. This spin is also couple with how this is getting media attention, and the media was outraged with this and not with how our soldiers were treated when they were captured. Wilkow mentioned Katie Couric for some reason, wouldn't be surprised if it was in the talking points. He also said that the media is trying to paint the entire military negatively because of this, which is obviously a straw man.

These are the major talking points I got out of this so far.

well, no surprise Rush got that fax...

why are we paying contractors lots of $$$ to pull FRAT STUNTS?
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fear for their lives is wrong? You have got to be kidding.

What more could you expect?

The more intelligent RW blowhards don't share his moronic opinion, so let's be glad for that at least.

was a "frat stunt"

That's the kind of response that stops the lying liars in their tracks. I've got to remember that one... thank you!!!

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I think they did a test run of this lame 'frat prank' rationalization here on DU last week...

I caught that. That guy got jumped on by everybody. Serves him right.

If this kind of stuff took place in frats, the frat would be gone. There are rules against this sort of thing in frats. Hazing is seriously frowned on.

Rush is an idiot.

MzPip
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Looks like this guy was beaten to death, doesn't it?

seems like every RW asshole is parroting the "hazing" buzz-word

they fail to mention that frat initiates are involved WILLINGLY, and that many hazing incidents have been determined to be illegal


One wonders how the Right Wing would react to pics of Jessica Lynch being treated this way

I take that back, we know exactly how they would react.

Republicans are masters of moral relativity

Said "we all do things when we are young we regret, it must be hormones or pheronomes or something." He went on to say he remembered "getting so drunk he woke up in his own vomit."

Sounds to me like the same thing Rush said, so they all got their "Talking Points." Actually it's getting so "scripted" that they better watch out their game is helping reveal who the Repug/WhiteHouse shills in the media are. Jeff Greenfield. That guy that some of us many years ago used to think was credible. Ugh!

perked up his ugly stupid head on this. He ratted himself
out. I have been hating him for a long time, now I no longer
have to wonder why.

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Republicans aren't moral relativists. They are selective moralists. They believe that things are absolutely wrong, except for when it comes to them. They are of the do as I say, not as I do mindset.

Calling them moral relativists is an offense to all moral relativists.

moral relativity means that the morality of a given act is dependant upon who is the one committing it... is that not the same thing?

I'm not worried about offending moral relativists, fuk 'em if they can't see straight

A moral relativist would look at another country practicing poligamy, for example, and say that it may be wrong in this country but their culture and morality says that it is okay. Therefor those people praciticing poligamy are not immoral.

A moral absolutist would say that poligamy is immoral no matter what. Therefor those cultures are immoral even if they don't think they are. (most conservatives, especially the fundies, consider themselves to be moral absolutists)

A selective moralist would say that poligamy is immoral no matter what. They would call that culture immoral and deride them. But if those same selective moralists practiced poligamy they would still feel like they are moral people.

Moral relativism doesn't try to justify your own actions, moral relativism is used to create understanding that other people have different moral frameworks and can therefor be moral individuals even if they behave in ways that we see as being immoral.

And, by the way, on the issue of torture most, if not all, cultures see it as an immoral act.

as well do many other RW loons. They don't want this story to go anyway because it might hurt their portfolios:mad:

He goes into the media "slammer" a mere draft dodger, only to leave a drug addict. I look forward to seeing Rush "playing at a prison near you."

really, a frat stunt.

Okay so frats go to war and take prisoners.

When they take prisoners they sexually molest them and degrade and elecrotucte them.

This has got to be the stupidest justification the RW Media Whores have used to date.

Yep, when rushie was a frattie, that's what the boys did to him. That's why he knows so much about this.

Now, if America decided that this kind of operation is a-ok, then we are in serious trouble. But even the boy-king was very displeased with what happened. Deeply troubled and all that. Said: "that's not America". Yet rushie says it is? Hmmm...

fuck him.

Thank GAWD I was wise enough to not join a frat in college. I thought frat boys just wanted to drink massive amounts of beer, I had no idea they also liked to assemble piles of naked Iraqis and ridicule them.

What an asinine comparison. These guys will say anything to protect their BushCo money machine.

The Reich Wankers only want to punish the guys at the bottom of the chain! I knew this was going to happen! Bush knows Nooothink, Nooooothink! Bush and Rummy are just as guilty as the hands on perps! Just like any Commander who's underlings commit war crimes! The Nazis at the top of their chain of command didn't throw the pellets down the pipes at the gas chambers either but they were shot and hanged after the war as they should have been! I'm inclined to raise the old cry from days and deeds gone by, "Bush Knew!" Rummy even visited the prison for a photo op like Himmler did! These people are friggin' MONSTERS! The idiots in charge are a THREAT to our National Security!

EDIT}}}Rush is a BIG FAT IDIOT on drugs!

rush gets aLL his 'materiaL' from free repubLic... how sad.

Tell the Iraqi people it was a frat brat stunt you draftdodging mongo!

Rush does have a counterpart in Iraq BTW:

where I had a pimple on my ass and why I did not go to war boy has hidden his morals... The bottles of Oxicontin I guess...

Or has the boy missed that the Rwanda Special War Crimes Tribunal has found a radio personality convicted of... war crimes.

Nah that could never happen to a loyal Murican like Pimple boy.

on TV ?

There must be a genetic defect in the neo-con brain that doesn't recognize the factor of CONSENT.

have a SHRED of human decency left, might have a twinge somewhere in the depths of what used to be their soul, hearing him essentially laugh this off. He really did, was very jocular and not somber at all.

A visceral reaction of shame and disgust, to begin to awaken them to what's happened to our national soul...

...how will the RW explain the next batch of photos...and the next ones...and the videos...ad nauseum...that surface when the occupation eventually ends?

Lying, lying, lying, Rotten Apple liars.

based on the authoritative, and astoundingly unified testimony of so many our most esteemed conservative commentators, this is excellent evidence of the moral and ethical disgrace that is what we call "the greek system" of fraternities and sororities. based on these statements, activities at fraternities in particular are so vile, coercive and degrading that one can't help but recommend their immediate termination.

maybe rush is right. maybe frats are into torture and sexual humiliation. maybe they do things that would, outside their insular cult-like society, be considered criminal. even, in a case like this, clearly a war crime--a blatant violation of the geneva conventions.

What a moron.

War Crimes = frat stunt
Monica's Stunt = High Crimes and Misdemeanors

Real Math:

GOPer Family Values = Total Bullshit

..than things he saw onstage at a Britney Spears concert. I kid you not...

an outrage!" Or, "You are so right, dude! People making a big deal out of a bit of harmless fun! Lighten up!"

sic him, Britney!!

the rest of the right wingers will spew this talking point to the hilt.

Idiots!

That's all it took to topple Saddam.

Why won't it topple King George the Poor Excuser?

In Pat Conroy's The Lords of Discipline, a group of cadets called The Ten ran off freshmen they thought weren't worthy to wear the ring in a wonderful ceremony: they tied you up, blindfolded you, stuffed you in a mattress cover, hauled you out to General Durrell's plantation house, dumped you in the middle of the room, stripped you naked, physically abused you, poured gasoline on you and threw lit matches in your direction until you agreed to leave the Institute.

Anyone see the similarities?

pure and simple.

Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.

consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies

Excusing these atrocities hurts our entire nation!!

did they use in Rush's rear?

Guess we are the focus group the Bushies wanted to try it out on.

Got some takers here, too. UUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPP.:thumbsdown:

"this is war! and those people are evil heathens who are trying to kill us"

it is funny how he says he is not defending what happened and then he goes onto defend it. Rush is looking particularly dumb today. He is disgusting.

Does this simple fact escape people? These poor guys are under armed guard in a prison run by armed people of an alien culture who have just attacked your country and killed many people.

If a Frat stunt gets out of hand, you can leave. Sure, you'll be taunted by a bunch of macho schmucks, but YOU CAN LEAVE, and you know that there's no chance of intentional harm. These prisoners are in very real fear for their lives.

There's a letter to the editor in the L.A. Times today from some prick in Beverly Hills that ends with the frat boy line, too. Perhaps this is the big talking point.

Stripped naked and put in a dogpile with other naked men, told he would be electrocuted if he moved, and had dogs attack him... and that's not even the worst thing that's happened there... he would walk away from the event thinking "Oh well, no big deal... "

What a fucking asshat.

.. he gets time for his pill habits in Florida.

And when will the problems with the sororities start?

when he played the clip of Rush calling ADD a myth?

RUSH: ADD, attention deficit disorder, I'm still not buying into that. And I just now created another hell storm for myself by saying that, because here come all the parents. You know, all ADD is, is parents that can't control normal kids. You know, kids have kinetic energy. They have more energy than adults. They can't stop, and it's, "No, they can't concentrate." Of course they can't concentrate. It's called discipline. Spank, one, two, three. That's going to really help me, too.

I know it's a bit off topic, but it pretty much tells you all you need to know about his sanctimonious, pill-popping brand of moral values.

I was appalled to see some DUers saying much the same thing.

Because of my brother's and late father's love of Rush Limbaugh, I have a special place of disgust in my heart for the hypocritical asswipe.