Why I support Dennis Kucinich for president

please no hes unelectable nonsense I really wanna say this.
I've always opposed the death penalty and most of Western civilzation has banned it, so why can't the US, Kucinich and only a handful more oppose it. I opposed the war in its fullest form, Mr. Kucinich spoke to anti war protesters which I admire. Mr. Kucinich has another idea, the department of peace, why cant we reduce war you know, if you think hes silly tell that to the guy buried at Mount Vernon its based on his idea. The patriot act is a despicable document, how Bush and co got away with this is sick, Mr. Kucinich will introduce legislation to repeal that. Now I will talk about other things than just the issues so this aint all about issues, Mr. Kucinich was born poor yet he worked hard, and became a councilman at 21, and a mayor at 31, and I also admire his work ethic, he tries to be in congress for any vote he can because he knows that he has a job to perform. Now its time to propel this hard working man to the presidency. He has many great ideas. He's far from perfect but is he admirable, yeah he is.

There is no reason why we can't get behind a Dept. of Peace. If you're going to talk the talk, then walk the walk. DK walks the walk.

Fighting for what you believe in is what it is all about, would some of these cynics particaully democratic ones say oh that FDR hes crazy about that new deal, well many did and it was some of the greatest legislation ever imo, JFK and fighting for racial rights, we arent perfect but we are an integrated society, and medicare and LBJ, all of these things have become hallmarks, things we are used to, getting them wasnt an easy fight but was it the right fight you betcha.

I agree on every one of those points!

From the heart, just like Kucinich.

from here *pointing to heart* people like him are the ripple of hope Bobby Kennedy once talked about,

And not just the Department of Peace. The more I read about him, the better I like him.

He is only not electable if people close their minds and do not listen. He is my candiate, the one from the heart. I hope he wins simply because he is the best candidate.

I have not made up my mind as yet, but I have eliminated several candidates out of hand. Kucinich is a front runner for my vote should he obtain the nomination.

He is refreshingly honest which is a big plus. He made some very tough decisions while mayor, and did not follow the same path as Dean, simply cutting services to poor folks and school kids, which took some courage in taking heat instead of cowardly hurting those who mattered least vote wise.

To those who say he is unelectable I wonder what motivates that opinion, many thought Truman unelectable as well.......

While Dean and Kucinich have much in common they share a hero, Truman. Now let me tell you about my man Harry S.
He was a poor farmer's kid who had trouble, and really didnt come in to his own until his 30's, in 1948 Truman faced a two parted schism, from Strom Thurmond on his partys right wing and Henry Wallace on his left wing.

Period.

same ole, same ole

and he doesn't need a translator!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=149793&mesg_id=149793

:eyes:

dp

Should I stop supporting a candiate just because hes supposely unelectable? Upsets have happpened and technically everyone is the underdog being up against an incumbent,

Kuchinich isn't going to win. And you can fantasize about it all you want, but America will not elect someone that far to the left.

I am not gonna go green if he doesnt get the nod so whats the big deal let a person explain why they support someone.

"whatever can at least have my hope ok?"

Perfectly said. Some people are allergic to hope around here.

Think about it the oppressed peoples of Europe still had, why cant we,

That little-known fellow from Arkansas? Though I criticize some of what he did (NAFTA, GATT, welfare reform), we had peace and prosperity on his watch and he was able to inspire all Americans (except the wingnuts who haed him too much to listen) with his speeches calling for equality.

Never stop hoping!

but it's part of the reason people 'don't vote' in this country they have no hope and no faith that a politican will represent them....DK in my eyes represents hope for a better tomorrow and for the very people in this country that have the least and the most to gain if we had a President like DK. His ideas bring it on home they speak to me they say it does matter and there is hope! His record and how he's on that House floor everyday and speaking out shows me he also shows up and pickets with the workers. Now that's what a Dem is all about! So who here is surprised that I'm from the South....and no I don't have a College Degree either. I was lucky enough to at least be born with a brain that figured it out.....don't ask me how I managed to do it. If you knew where I came from I think you'd be surprised and if I can get it I would hope that other people that are down on their luck or feel like there is no hope will find it as I did and vote for someone like DK.

What we need to do and this is what I think DK does is look around and see who has the least and how we treat those people it tells a lot about where we are going. From what I'm seeing we aren't going in the right direction and we've not been doing to good of a job lately. It's pretty darn bad out here and the middle row isn't cutting it, it just isn't sorry I can't go middle of the road it's not helping the people with the least.

I think DK wants to take us there and he represents what Democrats use to be all about! That's why I'm supporting him you will also not see me in other threads bashing the other Democrats running and yes I do have second choice.

I want that Peace Department I want to be able to go to college not so I can earn a lot of money but so I can learn and give back. I think if anyone of the Democrats running would do something about just those two things it would be DK.

stick to it. There are many of us out here just like you and know it's a tough row.
You are not alone. Just feels like it until someone like DK comes along to let you know it's real and possible.
Better days are coming.

dp

at least those of us who believe in something will have TRIED to make a difference. What have YOU done to improve the situation besides try to destroy the morale of Congressman Kucinich's supporters?

The truth you attempt to expouse is empty regurgitated nonsense from the mainstream idealogy force fed to U.S. citizens.

The current administration knows what (americans) "think" and readily tell them what they think. Your propaganda idealogy of "knowing" who (americans) will elect is just further cause to dismiss your argument.

Further, "america" implies the entire continent not just the U.S.

Is Kucinich Electable? Can He Beat Bush?

If any Democrat has a history of attracting swing voters and "Reagan Democrats" in winning elections against
better-funded Republican opponents, it is Dennis Kucinich. He has repeatedly defeated entrenched incumbents. He
beat a Republican incumbent for mayor in 1977, for state senator in 1994 (overcoming the national right-wing tide) and
for
Congress in 1996.

His Congressional district includes the suburb of Parma, Ohio, described as "one of the original homes of the Reagan
Democrats." An Ohio daily calls it a "conservative Democratic district," which he carried by 74% in 2002. Being a
success there may be a better predictor of national success than holding statewide office in a liberal stronghold like
Vermont or Massachusetts.

Kucinich is a winner because he builds Wellstone-like grassroots campaigns against bigger-spending opponents. He is
a winner because of his blue collar roots and populism, reflected in his battles for heartland voters against unfair,
corporate-friendly trade deals.

He is an unabashed progressive who wins because swing voters who don't agree with him on every issue still see him
as a fighter for their interests, as someone who will put the interests of workers and middle-class consumers ahead of
big-money interests. No Democrat is better positioned in 2004 to attract 'Reagan Democrats' and swing voters with a
frontal attack on how Bush policies hurt them and favor the rich.

Republicans use "wedge" issues to pry away traditionally-Democratic white working class voters -- a tactic that has
not succeeded against Kucinich. In '96, for example, Republicans used his support of gay rights as a wedge, and he
stood firm and triumphed.

On the other side of the spectrum, no other candidate can attract disaffected voters, 3rd party voters and Ralph Nader
supporters to the Democratic column like Kucinich. Across the country, Nader 2000 voters and Green Party
sympathizers are joining his campaign, as are other 3rd party supporters.

It's been a long while since progressives and the Democratic base have been so motivated, and so angry -- over
manipulation and deceit that began in the 2000 election and continued through the Iraq war (now finally catching up
with the Bush team). No candidate can better tap into and mobilize the anger of the Democratic base than Kucinich, who
has never wavered in his opposition, who has courageously led the way in exposing war manipulation, and who speaks
with passion to the big issues that animate Democratic and progressive activists.

Kucinich has been a winner in a swing district in the swing state of Ohio. And Ohio has 20 electoral votes. It is the
state that is key to national victory; only two candidates in the 20th century won the presidency without carrying Ohio.

Al Gore lost Ohio in 2000 despite the Herculean efforts of Kucinich, as vividly described by journalist James Ridgeway
in an article written days before the election: "Kucinich is a shoo-in, but hauling Gore along will be a daunting task.
Shuttling back and forth from Washington, Kucinich has put together an old-fashioned canvassing operation throughout
Cleveland and its suburbs that is one of the largest such efforts in the nation. By election day, 400 to 500 people will
be on the streets...

"Day after day, members of the laborers, electricians, plumbers, and steelworkers unions crowd into Kucinich's tiny
office on Lorain Avenue, piling signs into the backs of cars and pickups before hitting the neighborhoods. The general
approach is for volunteers to use Kucinich's name to get a foot in the door, then ask for support for a Democratic judge
before uttering the vice president's name."

Kucinich's best efforts couldn't win Ohio for Gore in 2000, but Kucinich can win Ohio himself if he is the 2004
Democratic presidential candidate. And in presidential politics, as Bush-strategist Karl Rove knows well: As Ohio
goes, so goes the nation.

- http://www.kucinich.us/electable.htm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=152323&mesg_id=152323

which links to the original article from Ted Rall here:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/030807/7/4x2xh.html

head Left.

dp

standard bearer of the Liberal Left. Kucinich is further left than Dean and if Rall's formula is accurate, is probably as much to the Left as Bush is the right....making DK the perfect opponent to go up against Bush.

it's a sign post.

head left, the further the better.

dp

Bullshit. We elected FDR 4 times.

and reelect President Hoover.

You cannot use the previous election's demographics to plot 2004. I think that doing so is a poor idea because by 2004, the tissue of Rovean lies will have turned to mush in the rain of bad news.

Historically, when a party gets into power and immediately trashes the economy they get booted out. Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, George HW Bush. Only Reagan got away with it, and that was mostly by virtue of the Lee Attwater mastery of wedge issue politics.

George Bush is now commonly acknowledged to have been the chiefest of the screw ups that let all the warnings slide off their backs (ok, credit John Ashcroft for not flying American).

He is commonly acknowledged to have allowed his droogs cynically employ a huge series of lies to start filming 'the revenge of the son of Vietnam ... Attack Iraq!' So he would have to boot most of the staff to gain any warm fuzzies for term 2.

By this time next year, he will also be minus two highly placed officials, and he will have to pardon them, to keep them out from in front of a firing squad.

By this time next year, the Democratic Party could run James Trafficant from his jail cell, and beat Bush on the platform that he is *slightly* less criminal and *marginally* less stupid.

But they could win big, with serious coattails by presenting a platform like Kucinich's... a real alternative to the DLC's vision of a kinder, gentler, compassionate conservatism.

Tell us, St. Carlos, who SHOULD we support in the primary? Please, grant us your wisdom and tell us who the american people want, since I, an American, want Dennis Kucinich...obviously I'm deluding myself by thinking that I know who I want to vote for....


Again, I just find it strange that The American People (copyright) don't want Dennis Kucinich---what the fuck am I? Cottage Cheese? I'm an American. John is an American, as are other DK supporters....but we just *Can't* be Americans because Carlos says Americans won't vote for DK....odd.....I know a few that will.

But we're just like the Greens, I bet---trying to pull that 'vote with your concience' morality bullshit! Hmph! How *DARE* we support a candidate of our choice instead of following and supporting whomever the republican-controlled media tells us to support.

And in case you didn't read it, he specifically asked that there be no "he can't win" type of threads. He is talking about the candidate HE chooses---not the one you'll choose, or which one you won't choose--it was about HIS CHOICE---and I totally support him in his choice.

you don't always have to piss in the pool, you know.

and I love your passion, JohnKleeb! I have contributed to Dennis. He's the man we need to take back our country!

John specificly asked that someone not post a negative response about unelectablity.

you just couldn't resist though, could you?

i guess PoliSci majors aren't taught people skills.
you are extremely condescending Carlos,and rude!

the phrase 'full of yourself' comes to mind.

pod

Go Kucinich!!!

:bounce:

I started out looking at Dean, impressed by the amount of enthusiasm he was generating. Then a respected friend pointed me Dennis' way. I'd seen that first big debate on CSpan, done some research, but hadn't paid much attention to DK. He doesn't grab your attention out the gate. So I looked closer, and was shocked. In my 43 years, there has never been a politician whose platform aligned so closely with who I am and how I choose to live. So I looked further, and discovered that this man doesn't just do the talk. He walks the walk, and he's been walking since long before the grassroots effort that convinced him to run for president. When you listened to the AFL-CIO debate Tuesday, did you notice that some of the candidates say things that sound right, but you know they are nothing more than hot air? There is no substance behind the words.

Like him or not, there is substance behind what Dennis has to say. He is always passionate; he isn't a laid-back speaker. I think the aggressive speaking that surprised many on Tuesday was to put the "doesn't grab people's attention" behind him.

Look further. A 100% attendance/vote record in the house. And you can check to see that all of those votes fit his platform. They do. No corporate campaign donors. Nobody buys his vote. Won't even use campaign materials that are not produced by union labor and/or small american indepent business owners.

Now go meet him, and discover the DK magic. It's something about the way he works a crowd. He can be energetic, grinning, and enthusiastic. He can be thoughtful, and a careful listener. He can be compassionate. And he can be all those things at one time. People who meet him walk away knowing that they weren't just a potential vote; he sees them as a real person with real value. Ask him an off-the-cuff, out of the ordinary question, and be wowed by his grasp of the issues. He really knows his stuff. He isn't blowing hot air here. He'll back up what he's saying in any way you like.

And one last thing for this post; the thing that brings it all together and clinches him as my choice. Over and over and over, he directs his passion and his plans toward the source of a problem, not the symptom. He isn't prescribing something to dull the pain; he's fighting to treat the illness. The aspirin is a waste of time if you don't address what causes the pain to begin with; it will never do anything other than mask the mess.

If you are a progressive, and you would like to see our current situation transformed, Dennis is the legitimate choice.

I like I am sure most of DU was before Al Gore aunnoced he wasnt running again for Al, I liked Dean because he was anti war and etc, I forgot how I heard about DK but I really like this guy, although I am not poor nor small, I can identify with DK in more ways than the others. We're both Catholic, have Balkans ancestry :), and he has heart problems too. He's always doing great stuff, a holiday for Cesar Chavez wow.

:bounce:
:dem:
:kick:

DK for the USA!

We need Dennis to help us regain our soul and progressive direction ... we need his ideas to build our 21st century infrastructure ... anything else will be more of the same ... the power of ideas ... one person can make a difference ... healthcare without corporate interference ... healthcare for all ...

I have the utmost respect for this man.

he speaks from the heart, something you dont see too often in modern politics.

It doesn't really matter which candidate I like, though, because the nomination will be decided long before the Alabama primary. I think it would be more fair to have all the primaries on the same day. Why do New Hampshire and Iowa have so much pull?

You can contribute to DK's campaign....with money...with meet-ups...with talking to your friends, relatives and strangers. THE NATION NEEDS TO HEAR HIS MESSAGE(as well as the Democratic Party) and there is ONLY US to do it...

No high priced media consultants, no push-pollsters, no corporate contributions, no glitzy TV ads to enrich his sworn media enemies...WE are the grass roots, and WE can do it!!

seriously and LISTENS to his constituents. How could anyone vote against him? Are people so cynical and lost that they can't even recognise a truly good and trustworthy man who will go the extra mile for them?

for America. It woke people from their numbed fearful stupor, it validated their own perceptions of what was really happening, and gave them courage to speak out.
Kucinich and Moyers were among the first to step forward and speak the truth in a very public way when many were afraid to whisper. Do you remember? I will never forget either one for as long as I live.
They were and are the light.

I've heard about it. Thats just beautiful.

"Even in the most troubling of times, hope still remains, hope inspires, hope loves, and hope is what we need."

and seeks to embody truth, peace and love. Our culture is suspicious of men like this. It's considered weak.

Dennis's prayer spread like wildfire. It was literally a lighted torch of truth in a very dark time and it got passed around quickly. It was very healing for so many....lifted them up and grounded them all at the same time.

the only choice I can make. He's got the issues. He's got the record and experience. But it's the courage to step forward and speak truth...to shine that light of hope while the world bows to their neon god that sets Dennis apart from the rest of the field.

and had never heard of Dennis Kucinich until the war with Iraq was looming over us. I was complaining about the rush to an unjust war on another messageboard site (which I'm unashamedly going to plug to Kucinich supporters at the end of this post) and someone said something to the affect that "You sound like Kucinich. You should check out his website, he may run for President.". I answered back "WHO??" and my friend passed on the link to the national campaign site. It was barely up and running back then with only about half the resources it has up now. I read his stands and was hooked.

After that I started running all over the internet gobbling up everything on Dennis Kucinich I could find. Good and bad alike, only there wasn't much truly bad out there. Not much good either at first, but then I watched a debate where he was speaking on child welfare issues. It was amazing! That's when I knew I had to help him get elected. Not a word passed his lips that didn't fit what I'd have said to those questions. I laughed a bit when I first saw him...."OMG He looks like an ELF!" and that photo they use on the campaign site doesn't help the Elf label either. If you look, his haircut makes him even appear to have pointed ears. :D Anyway, I laughed a little, but then he started to speak and I was silent for the rest of the debate. Dumbfounded to hear someone say all the things I've always thought were right and true and just.

I think I can safely say I'm completely enamoured of Congressman Kucinich. That admiration is so potent and powerful at first I had to sit back and ask myself was I getting a little overboard. Just recently it dawned on me, no I haven't, there's a reason why it's so strong. It's because he's one of US. He's not some remote figure we see on television every so often and never see. He's out here, meeting us, stopping to talk to us even when he shouldn't, when he's supposed to be somewhere else. He'll take as much time as he needs to REALLY connect with people who come to see him. He gives up his meal-time, he gives up his sleep-time, he gives US his ALL and he deserves the same in return.

*on edit-I forgot to plug that board! It's Kucinich Supporters United on Delphi Forums, and I could use some help building up traffic. Anybody is welcome except we don't tolerate that constant refrain "he's unelectable" as a stand alone post or argument. We want substance to counter not predictions from your crystal ball.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/spirithome/start

in a heartbeat.

I agree with the poster who mentioned him not balancing the budget on the backs of poor people.

and win or no - I think it is very important to have him out there saying what he's saying.

Basically a waste of time.

the air biscuit speaks again.
where is the man in you anyway. I have seen you here and there on threads with your vapor of oopinion.
back it up or pack it up halfman.
curious minds would like some facts for your half assed assertions.

dp

And you can't dispute the fact that DK is unelectable.

and only 'basically' denied it as usual.
I can dispute you and your oopinions all night. Your inflated self image ie, 'always right' says more about your politics than your predictions.

come on and reveal your facts biscuitboy.
Just _exactly_ how is Kucinich unelectable?
Put up, shut up, or head back over to the BBV threads and let them bounce your halfman/halfbiscuit theory about the walls.

dp

And I can, and do, dispute your so-called "fact" that Dennis is unelectable. Go spout your unadulterated nonsense elsewhere. The DK supporters here know that you are not in ANY position to determine electability.

People who fail to comprehend the basic difference between "fact" and "opinion" don't even deserve an audience in a mental hospital. :eyes:

He's shocked in the past and god willing I think he could do it again, We the people have the power to stop Bush remember, its up to us not the media, or some cynic but its all up to us. The only shame is he is not getting the attention he deserves. He's done a lot of great things too that most here dont even know about, one has to dig to find that Mr. Kucinich cosponsored a bill giving Cesar Chavez a holiday and I think Cesar is a big hero to people here right, Ive seen him on avatars and I think we appreciate what he fought for.

I have yet to get a reply!


Is Kucinich Electable? Can He Beat Bush?

If any Democrat has a history of attracting swing voters and "Reagan Democrats" in winning elections against
better-funded Republican opponents, it is Dennis Kucinich. He has repeatedly defeated entrenched incumbents. He
beat a Republican incumbent for mayor in 1977, for state senator in 1994 (overcoming the national right-wing tide) and
for
Congress in 1996.

His Congressional district includes the suburb of Parma, Ohio, described as "one of the original homes of the Reagan
Democrats." An Ohio daily calls it a "conservative Democratic district," which he carried by 74% in 2002. Being a
success there may be a better predictor of national success than holding statewide office in a liberal stronghold like
Vermont or Massachusetts.

Kucinich is a winner because he builds Wellstone-like grassroots campaigns against bigger-spending opponents. He is
a winner because of his blue collar roots and populism, reflected in his battles for heartland voters against unfair,
corporate-friendly trade deals.

He is an unabashed progressive who wins because swing voters who don't agree with him on every issue still see him
as a fighter for their interests, as someone who will put the interests of workers and middle-class consumers ahead of
big-money interests. No Democrat is better positioned in 2004 to attract 'Reagan Democrats' and swing voters with a
frontal attack on how Bush policies hurt them and favor the rich.

Republicans use "wedge" issues to pry away traditionally-Democratic white working class voters -- a tactic that has
not succeeded against Kucinich. In '96, for example, Republicans used his support of gay rights as a wedge, and he
stood firm and triumphed.

On the other side of the spectrum, no other candidate can attract disaffected voters, 3rd party voters and Ralph Nader
supporters to the Democratic column like Kucinich. Across the country, Nader 2000 voters and Green Party
sympathizers are joining his campaign, as are other 3rd party supporters.

It's been a long while since progressives and the Democratic base have been so motivated, and so angry -- over
manipulation and deceit that began in the 2000 election and continued through the Iraq war (now finally catching up
with the Bush team). No candidate can better tap into and mobilize the anger of the Democratic base than Kucinich, who
has never wavered in his opposition, who has courageously led the way in exposing war manipulation, and who speaks
with passion to the big issues that animate Democratic and progressive activists.

Kucinich has been a winner in a swing district in the swing state of Ohio. And Ohio has 20 electoral votes. It is the
state that is key to national victory; only two candidates in the 20th century won the presidency without carrying Ohio.

Al Gore lost Ohio in 2000 despite the Herculean efforts of Kucinich, as vividly described by journalist James Ridgeway
in an article written days before the election: "Kucinich is a shoo-in, but hauling Gore along will be a daunting task.
Shuttling back and forth from Washington, Kucinich has put together an old-fashioned canvassing operation throughout
Cleveland and its suburbs that is one of the largest such efforts in the nation. By election day, 400 to 500 people will
be on the streets...

"Day after day, members of the laborers, electricians, plumbers, and steelworkers unions crowd into Kucinich's tiny
office on Lorain Avenue, piling signs into the backs of cars and pickups before hitting the neighborhoods. The general
approach is for volunteers to use Kucinich's name to get a foot in the door, then ask for support for a Democratic judge
before uttering the vice president's name."

Kucinich's best efforts couldn't win Ohio for Gore in 2000, but Kucinich can win Ohio himself if he is the 2004
Democratic presidential candidate. And in presidential politics, as Bush-strategist Karl Rove knows well: As Ohio
goes, so goes the nation.


- http://www.kucinich.us/electable.htm

Can he be elected? I dont know.

Is it worth trying? You bet yer ass :)

Yet Kucinich supported a flag-burning amendment. I'm sorry, but that is as much of an abomination as the PATRIOT act.

You think the Patriot is as bad as a ban on flag burning?

Someone wanna educate this guy?

Dennis explained his Flag Burning vote and I believe he was right in voting his concious, not flip flopping just so he can be progressive on every issue.

although we were in different places, and back then, in the Fifties and Sixties, we were taught to respect the flag as a symbol of the great ideals that our nation was founded upon. We were taught that flags are never allowed to touch the floor, that they are not left out in the rain, that if they are damaged, they are respectfully burned, because symbols are important. We were taught to love and support our country and to fight to keep it the way it was meant to be. We learned real patriotism, not the jingoism of the flag-waving "Kill Osama, Kill Saddam" crowd.

We learned the value of free speech, too, and we learned that free speech does not include shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater just for giggles. We saw newsreels showing people in other countries burning our flag because they hated America and we see no real reason for those who claim to love America to burn it.

In general, I don't like the idea of amending the Constitution, but I understand why Dennis would vote for this and I'm not going to hold it against him when there is so much I agree with him about, such as repealing the Patriot Act. The Patriot Act is a far greater threat to your freedom than an amendment prohibiting flag desecration -- and that's what is banned: desecration, not burning.

If Dennis weren't electable, he wouldn't have been elected to the posts he has held so successfully.

Anyone is electable if we say he/she is. If what he stands for speaks to your mind and heart, to vote otherwise because you think he is unelectable is not only the height of insincerity, but totally derails and denegrates the idea of democracy.

To me, it's the same juvenile logic applied in junior high school when voting for class president, etc. This is real life now and how many times do we have to learn the hard way that what society holds forth as a pretty face and winning rhetoric often hold disappointment because of the unreal expectations we ourselves place upon them? People who apply this kind of logic seem to me to be only looking for something or someone to make themselves look or feel better.

If the only basis for voting for someone is that you want to back the supposed winner then you might as well have all voted for * in 2000. Imagine what might have happened if we were able to subtract the votes of the people who voted for * only because they wanted to back the candidate who looked like he was going to be the winner. Thank goodness there are people willing to go a little deeper than THAT!!

This isn't only about winning an election. It's about winning back our country and the principles it was founded upon. Dennis is electable because this is not only what his platform says he is about, but also what his performance actually illustrates is his goal.

A real winner doesn't just look or feel the part; he embodies the all of the necessary qualities and puts them into action.

Dennis Kucinich is a true winner. And so we will all be when he is elected.

hippywife. Jumping on what you perceive to be the winning bandwagon is a silly way to decide on who should lead our country. Votes should be cast on principle, not superficial matters.

what a nice thread...with a few minor exceptions.....

John, I've always appreciated how you come from your heart...especially in regards to DK. All I can say is "keep going man"!!

...and everyone on this thread has made such great points about DK...he is absolutely electable...he speaks his truth- which is also my truth...he is a caring heartcentered man which is extremely rare in politics and so importnat to me - especially at this point in time. It can no longer be about just getting someone else in office..we have to get someone in who walks his truth....we need to have a major shift in conciousness or we will be lost as a country and as compassionate spiritual beings sharing planet earth.

selection 2000 has taken us down a dark road, and for me, Dennis Kucinich is a beacon of truth and light who may possibly be our last chance at turning our country back into something we can be proud of......

His true heart will shine brighter and farther in the days to come...thos who are open will see this...more are awakening every day and I know everyone who supports his candidacy will do everything they (we) can do to spread the word about this real human being...

Once you have met Dennis face to face- heart to heart....you want to share with others that he really is for real! :)

OK- this was my late nite rant....thanks for listening y'all :loveya:

Peace
DR

you posted. Great responses, too, aside from the few saying "He's unelectable." Giving up the hope of electing someone we really want is something I'm not ready to do.

Keep the faith! ELECT DENNIS KUCINICH 2004

If people would only vote for the person whose policies need the fewest disclaimers and apologies, Dennis would be elected with a 70% majority.

and i agree.

DK is the candidate i support for many reasons. Fair trade and GMOs are on my list as well. He has been there for working families, and the poor. he undertsands and appreciates the value of the American citizen, no matter their financial status.

pod...Kuncinich has Wellstone's spirit all over him

He wants to create a Department of Peace which will strengthen the stereotype of Dems as weak on defense. Dean and Graham opposed the Iraq war and are strong on defense.

He doesnt wanna slash the DoD budget in half, he wants genuine defense, he wants to increase our soldiers salary, and increase their benefits. He wants real defense not this stuff you see that Rumsfeld does.

Without big guns.

:kick:

he has the best, most robust ideas of any candidate, is the most progressive, and has the track record to back it up.

a few cynics here and there but mostly nice. We needed a morale booster. Remember the words of the immoral Robert Francis Kennedy,

I am not saying Dennis is the new RFK but I think RFK infered to someone like him.
"Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation ... It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
This is about us and DK imho and for those who say we still need to have defense, I want defense too but not overkill so to speak and heres what we need, to quote my hero mr. Kennedy again.
"What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black."
So we are coming from the heart, thats what we are all about. I shall say it will be a tough road to the nomination and an even tougher bridge to cross to the presidency, but we have to get to the bridge and get across, we can do this by working hard to promote Dennis's ideals of peace and compassion.
"Once every generation the US finds itself an amazing president with good works and all, the greatest generation had FDR, the baby boomers JFK, and my generation should have DK, and by the way have you noticed all the great men of history are known by their intials, MLK, JFK, RFK, and LBJ, lets add DK to those who have fought for justice. Mr. Kucinich good luck, and thank you for your noble stances.

Fix the word before "Robert" in the first line :hi:

"Few will have the greatness to bend history; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation ... It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is thus shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." RFK

You're right. This is DJK all over!! :)

I can also support Dean, Bob Graham and General Clark because all of them opposed this stupid plunge into imperialism!

I must say I am truly heartened to see all the positive repsonses.

We can make Dennis the next President. The nay-sayers can either join in or sit on the sidelines and pout when all their grandiose statements of unelectability come back and bite them in the ass.

Some people are just so unable to see hope and promise when it is apparent to many others. I actually feel sorry for the folks who deride such a man.

Thanks for the post again and keep hope alive. We are strengthening every day.