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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:04 PM
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How Can CNN Even Ask The Question
Today's survey:

"Is torture ever justified during interrogation?"

Have we become so inhuman that the question can even be asked?

www.cnn.com
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:07 PM
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1. i'm speechless n/t
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Trinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:07 PM
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2. what scares me is the 344
people who said yes :eyes: :scared:




Peace? :hippie: :smoke: :freak:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:10 PM
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3. now over 700
human scum
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:12 PM
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4. Wow, look what it says now!



Created: Monday, May 03, 2004, at 15:26:56 EDT
Is torture ever justified during interrogation?

Yes 42% 1245 votes

No 58% 1731 votes

Total: 2976 votes


This QuickVote is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those Internet users who have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions of Internet users in general, nor the public as a whole. The QuickVote sponsor is not responsible for content, functionality or the opinions expressed therein.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:14 PM
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6. Is it any wonder that the military can get its
...fighting men and women to commit war atrocities?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:12 PM
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5. The right is trying to get people used to this
that is why they keep showng the photos

That is why we need the fairness act back
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:20 PM
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15. I hate it when they do that...n/t
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:14 PM
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7. well...
Edited on Mon May-03-04 05:17 PM by SheepyMcSheepster
i think alot of people can say yes to torture if information extracted actually saved lives, conversely you will not usually see these people come to the same defense for terrorism, say with a terrorist act you could eventually save lives would people approve of this? what you don't want to save lives? you must be a commy.

just a thought, i am totally against torture if our intentions is to maintain the "moral highground", the ends don't justify the means.

most people will endorse anything if the question requires that "anything" will result in "over all good".

"when did you stop beating your wife?" sean hannity style all the way.

people will assume that the torture is going to produce good or why would it be happening.




edit: the question has changed

Do you think the suspected abuse of Iraqi prisoners is:
A widespread systemic problem?
A number of isolated incidents?


oh, i have cnn page set to international version. that explains it.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:14 PM
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8. 58% No, 42% Yes
:puke:
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:14 PM
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9. Yes, it is.
Under very rare and limited circumstances, however.
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Donating Member ( posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:59 PM
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27. What are those circumstances?
Who decides? There's the rub.
Perhaps the Geneva Convention?

I'm leaving work and my access to the internet, now.
I hope someone else gets on here and challenges you on this statement.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:14 PM
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10. Go to CNN and let them know how their bias
has made them lose their humanity

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?39
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:15 PM
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11. Only in a Free Country would this question be a resounding "no"
(in truth, sometimes not even then)

Of course, this disqualifies Imperial Amerika, where we are still 98% free but the 2% is the 2% that holds up the rest.

As always, Tyranny for those not of the Ruling Class will begin once the fully power of the nation is finished being sezied and unchecked.

Look out, then!
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:16 PM
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12. Ye gods
What's worse...look at the answers!
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:16 PM
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13. OMG. 43% think it's justified!
That means 43% of Americans think US troops should be tortured if captured.

My god, you wouldn't think even hardcore freeper assholes would approve of torture.

Plus, it's been proven time after time that torture doesn't work.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:31 PM
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17. They've convinced themselves it will be someone else being tortured
Edited on Mon May-03-04 05:32 PM by Feanorcurufinwe

"It can't happen to me"


A more appropriate question would be:

"Is it ever justified for you to be tortured during interrogation?"


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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:40 PM
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20. I'd rather see a followup asking 'Is torturing US soldiers ever justified'
Freepers know they'll never join up, so they know they are safe from torture.

However, most of them at least CLAIM to support the troops.

It's beyond me how it's supporting the troops to send them ill-prepared into a poorly planned invasion of a hostile country. But that's just me.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:19 PM
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14. 43% YES??????
:wtf:

We have truly gone insane..........
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berry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:36 PM
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18. It's 44% "yes" now. This is appalling.
And yes, I agree that questions like this do work to "innoculate" the public to the idea of torture being justifiable. Abominable.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:29 PM
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16. OMG!
*Shakes head*
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absSineofZero Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:37 PM
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19. One could make a special case for it.
If a thug admitted to having an innocent locked up for ransom somewhere that they will die soon and won't disclose that location then any attempt to save the innocent from the admitted guilty is allowed.

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absSineofZero Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:09 PM
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29. Let me put it this way...
If someone has my child locked up and they won't tell me where to rescue them from sure death then that perp will be tortured until he talks or dies. Like I said...there *are* special cases and no these Iraq prisoner abuses don't fit that special case. Better?
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AliceWonderland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:29 PM
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32. No, not better
Even if I found the use of hyptheticals a valid reason to subvert all human rights agreements, there is no one... and let me emphasize, NO ONE... I would trust with the authority to carry out torture.

We are talking about legal state-sanctioned, state-approved torture. When in human history has state-sanctioned torture gone well? What type of regimes have used state-sanctioned torture in the past? What kind of leaders, what kind of policies have state-sanctioned torture enforced/encouraged?
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absSineofZero Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:17 PM
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37. I'm talking about ME...not state interdiction
You kidnap my child and there will be hell to pay. Period.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:19 PM
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38. imagine how the Palestinians feel about their children?
or are theirs simply trash?
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:35 PM
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34. Find a REAL "special case".....
Not some hypothetical crap.

The guy would talk to stop the torture. The police would go to the hiding place he'd revealed.

No kid. The tortured guy was innocent. Too late for your hypothetical kid, though.

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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:08 PM
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36. how about this
somebody tortures you until you disclose how and why you allowed your child to be in harm's way? Of course, the first few explanations you offer are probably lies, so we cant stop too soon...
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:40 PM
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21. The GOP Media is trying to muddy the issues, as usual
....now trying to suggest that interrogation and torture are somehow synonymous.
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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:45 PM
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23. kinda like the cabinet & administration
people who are tortured will tell you whatever they think you want to hear....whether it is true or not....kinda like the current cabinet in DC-- give them what they want, or they'll out your wife, claim you're pissed about not receiving a promotion, blah, blah.

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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:51 PM
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24. Dershowitz made a case for the use of torture
A while back just after Sept. 11, Alan Dershowitz made a case for the use of torture in some cases. Dershowitz wanted a specific warrant and to limit the use of torture to circumstances where a lives could be saved.

There is no excuse for the conduct in Iraq. The fact that 44% think that torture is justified is scary.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:52 PM
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25. I think lives could be saved if we tortured Alan Dershowitz
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:10 PM
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30. Even if no lives saved, it'd make ME feel better. J/K eom
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AliceWonderland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 05:59 PM
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26. Well, I remember
having to have this argument here a few times, and that shocked the living daylights out of me. I remember a thread with someone suggesting that only pollyanna types would reject torture in today's wicked world. So no, I'm not terribly surprised that CNN asked the question. I'm surprised that more people didn't say that yes indeedy, a little torture of brown people can be a good thing on a Wednesday evening when nothing's on the tube.
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:04 PM
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28. Here we go. Great view of the brutal, ignorant, Repuke scum in America
The fact that close to 50% of respondents think it's o.k. to use torture is a damning indictment of the thuggish idiots in America.

JB
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:12 PM
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31. in the minds of rabid repubs...
there isn't much difference between Eye-rackys and libruls...

Annie, get yer ---.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:21 PM
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39. And that's a fact. Don't be caught like a German Jew in 1938
when it happens.

Totalitarianism ALWAYS leads to a predictable end.

Augustus "begets" Tiberius "begets" Caligula and Nero.

Wait for it. If the Busheviks steal the "election", then we are going there for sure.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:34 PM
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33. How can 44% say YES???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:36 PM
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35. How about this: Is the torture of our troops ever justified??
Put that one up tomorrow on CNN. I mean, duh. How could they say yes to that, but say it's okay to torture other citizens? Geez.. we're stupid.
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AgentLadyBug Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:23 PM
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41. you *almost* had it......
just to show the public how abyssmally stupid they are, run *both* polls side by side, and watch the numbers skew away from each other.....

rofl - americans aren't good enuff for america......
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AussieInCA Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:23 PM
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40. ah isn't this the last desperate justification for invading iraq?
to end the torture? so now that is gone...there are pretty much no reasons fore whole iraq episode. Why doesn't CNN ask that question..dickheads
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