Only 6 Bad Apples Repuking point

The mantra is "only 6 bad apples out of 135,000 U.S. troops".....
First, how do they know this? If, as the accused and their families are now saying, there was NO direction from superiors on how to treat Iraqui prisoners, how can we assume only 6 went astray?
Maybe no others took photos.
Maybe no others had a conscience to release them.
But, it is hard to believe that no others acted this way or worse.

This is simply a horrible way to "earn the hearts and minds" of the Iraquis.....if that was ever TRULY our government's objective.
We may reap what we have sown from this debacle.

And, somehow, it will be Kerry and Clinton's fault. Just wait!

but, the talking heads have poo-pooed it.....they had their marching orders today.....I forced myself to listen to reich-wing radio and tv heads.....they are angriest at CBS for releasing the photos....of what they call...this "VERY ISOLATED UNFORTUNATE INCIDENT"....they say it should have been kept quiet and only gone up the military chain of command...........aarg.

(snip)

There was evidence dating back to the Afghanistan war, the Ryder report said, that M.P.s had worked with intelligence operatives to “set favorable conditions for subsequent interviews”—a euphemism for breaking the will of prisoners. “Such actions generally run counter to the smooth operation of a detention facility, attempting to maintain its population in a compliant and docile state.”

(snip)

As the international furor grew, senior military officers, and President Bush, insisted that the actions of a few did not reflect the conduct of the military as a whole. Taguba’s report, however, amounts to an unsparing study of collective wrongdoing and the failure of Army leadership at the highest levels. The picture he draws of Abu Ghraib is one in which Army regulations and the Geneva conventions were routinely violated, and in which much of the day-to-day management of the prisoners was abdicated to Army military-intelligence units and civilian contract employees. Interrogating prisoners and getting intelligence, including by intimidation and torture, was the priority.

The mistreatment at Abu Ghraib may have done little to further American intelligence, however. Willie J. Rowell, who served for thirty-six years as a C.I.D. agent, told me that the use of force or humiliation with prisoners is invariably counterproductive. “They’ll tell you what you want to hear, truth or no truth,” Rowell said. “‘You can flog me until I tell you what I know you want me to say.’ You don’t get righteous information.”

more...
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz at Abu Ghraib
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/04/30/briefingrumsfeld,0.jpg


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1512343

about a prisoner under his watch:

"Please don't kill me!" with comically pursed lips . . .

America system? I don't what much TV have a little more time to read but I've never seen this addressed at all. How many days does the military leave bags over their heads? And Junior doesn't know this is going on?

When any convenient lie will do.

But officials told NBC News that at least five other investigations were under way to determine whether similar mistreatment was taking place at other U.S. facilities and could be a symptom of a larger systemic problem.

In an interview with NBC News, a former Iraqi prisoner at a separate detention center said he was held down by six U.S. soldiers, who he said beat the bottoms of his feet with steel rods.

The former prisoner, who spoke only on condition that he not be identified, said that he cheered the ouster of former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein but that after his treatment at the hands of his U.S. captors, he considered the Americans to be as bad as “10 Saddams.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930/

Looks like more than SIX to me

Pletka of AEI lashes Lieutenant Rieckhoff on CNN

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1522897

I haven't watched CNN for more than 3 minutes in the last week and these are the two things I hear. Disgusting!

these representatives of repub think tanks are never identified as such.....they simply say the name of the organization....like that gives them credibility.....these people are PAID by the repukes...they are not INDEPENDENT sources.......
that is NEVER pointed out by any media group that uses them as EXPERTS....WHY NOT???

1. Democratic leaders use their press time to expose this bias
2. The only non-politically connected moral Hollywood leaders of America band together and say the same thing.
3. A massive citizen protest with this being the only theme.
4. All the lazy Americans register to vote now and save our country before it's too late.