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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:13 AM
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Kucinich And Kerry Statements On Iraq Prisoner Abuse


Kucinich Condemns U.S. Abuse of Iraqi Detainees as Acts of Betrayal
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 1, 2004

Amid growing revelations of additional cases of torture and abuse against Iraqi detainees by U.S. and British troops, Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich today condemned the actions as a "betrayal of the principles of freedom, human rights, and justice that the Bush Administration has attempted to use to justify this unjust war."

"Each day brings new stories and photographs of the outrages being perpetrated against a people whose lives, liberties, and pursuit of a more hopeful future have been the Bush Administration's 'battle cry' since the beginning," Kucinich said. "When the true costs of this war are tallied, the price will have to include the savagery and inhumanity that have been inflicted - not just on the people of an occupied nation, but on the hearts and minds and souls of the people who occupied them."

"These are atrocities committed against a people who lived through years of atrocities by a brutal dictator. Now, some are suffering the same fate under the flags of collation forces who are there, ostensibly, to spread freedom and restore stability. What kind of choice are we giving the Iraqi people - the brutality of Saddam Hussein or that of the U.S. occupying army?"

Kucinich said he hopes the recent reports reflect only rare and isolated examples. "I have the highest regard for our men and women and uniform, and I am confident that the overwhelming majority of them are performing admirably under unimaginably difficult circumstances."

Kucinich, who opposed the original war authorization resolution in the U.S. Congress in 2002 and who has made the withdrawal of U.S forces a centerpiece of his presidential campaign, said he is concerned that these recent revelations will increase the risks facing U.S. forces. Growing opposition and hostility among political and religious factions in Iraq toward the U.S. resulted in making April the bloodiest and deadliest month of the occupation, Kucinich noted. "Our troops have been targets all along," he said, "but now, they may face the wrath not just of insurgents and militias, but of the population in general.

"We have to get out of Iraq. That is the mission we have to accomplish," he said, ironically echoing President Bush's assertion of victory a year ago today. He again called on the leadership of the Democratic Party to join him in demanding the withdrawal of U.S. troops and a transfer of peacekeeping operations, administration, and management of Iraqi assets and reconstruction contracts to the United Nations.

"We have to stop calling for more troops, more money, and an as-long-as-takes mentality. How can we commit to an occupation without end? How can we allow our men and women in uniform to continue facing even greater risks? How can we tell the world community that we stand for peace and liberty and human rights when our mere presence in Iraq challenges those very same principles?"

"My campaign," Kucinich concluded, "will allow voters to send a loud and clear message to the Congress, to the Bush Administration and to the leadership of the Democratic Party the price we've paid is already too high, the objectives are undefinable, and it's time for a totally new direction: not sending more troops there; bringing our troops back home."

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Kucinich Calls for Expanded Investigation Amid Allegations of Iraqi Prison Cover-up
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 3, 2004

Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich today demanded "the immediate removal and replacement of all military and non-military personnel who played any role whatsoever in the operation of the Abu Ghraib prison" near Baghdad where Iraqi detainees were allegedly tortured and abused.

New allegations today that the International Red Cross was deliberately deterred from investigating conditions at the prison "has all the earmarks of a cover-up, and until this matter is fully investigated and the perpetrators are brought to justice, everyone who is any way connected with that facility is under a cloud of suspicion," Kucinich said. That includes military police assigned to the prison, military intelligence personnel, CIA agents, and private security contractors.

"The allegations of torture, abuse and humiliation, in and of themselves are appalling," Kucinich said, "but now several different sources are claiming that there was a concerted attempt to conceal those activities." Kucinich pointed out that a report completed several months ago by Maj. Gen. Donald J. Ryder, the Army's top law-enforcement officer, concluded that military intelligence did not order military police to put pressure on prisoners to prepare them for interrogations. A subsequent investigation and report by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba details significant examples and evidence of torture. Information regarding both reports was published over the weekend in the New Yorker magazine.

"Until this matter is thoroughly investigated and all information is made public, how do we know who and what to believe?" Kucinich asked. Until those questions are satisfactorily answered, "anyone even remotely connected with that prison should be removed, reassigned, or suspended."

For information about the National campaign:
http://www.kucinich.us

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And here is John Kerry's powerful indictment of prisoner abuse and his call for action:

Statement by Senator Kerry on the Photos of Iraqi Prisoner Abuse
April 30, 2004
For Immediate Release

Senator John Kerry issued the following statement today:

“I am disturbed and troubled by the evidence of shameful mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners. We must learn the facts and take the appropriate action. As Americans, we must stand tall for the rule of law and freedom everywhere. But we cannot let the actions of a few overshadow the tremendous good work that thousands of soldiers are doing every day in Iraq and all over the world.”






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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:25 AM
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1. To be honest
Kerry's statement pales in comparison to those by Kucinich.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:30 AM
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3. Oh yeah
Kucinich's were much more powerful....
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:29 AM
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2. It's so obvious that Kucinich would be the best president.
The press never gave DK a chance. They wrote him off, never considered him a serious candidate, yet he has been on the right side on every issue.

So sad. I will vote for Kerry but only because he is not Bush.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:32 AM
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4. screw the press
it's the people that follow like sheep
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:38 AM
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5. Kucinich Would Defeat Bushism!

The idea that Kucinich is a weak candidate and could not defeat Bush is a myth perpetrated by the DLC and others who wish to marginalize Kucinich and other progressive Democrats.

Actually, Kucinich would be the strongest candidate against Bush and would easily defeat Bush because he's opposed not just to Bush but to Bushism!
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:46 AM
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8. Except that whole pro-choice things....
I love Dennis but when I see people make statements about his impeccable record or how he is right on every issue, it makes me cringe that people are so willing to overlook his stellar pro-life voting record.

I can respect his position, and that he has come around on this issue but I really get uncomfortable when people tell me how much more liberal Dennis is, while completely overlooking his track record on this issue.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:09 PM
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13. One doesn't need to ignore his track record
Just learn about his record. He does not lie. He said his views have changed, and due to that track record, I believe him.

He also has said that due to his conflict over the issue, that he might be better able to work out the differences in the conflict. I believe that as well.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:41 AM
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6. We need a Department of Peace.
eom
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:42 AM
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7. Give Kerry a chance
Edited on Tue May-04-04 11:47 AM by bigtree
There will be enough time to pile on the chorus of condemnation. John kerry has spoken many times in his life against abuses by our military. I imagine he is waiting for a clear administration target before he opens up his rant against the abuses. I don't think he wants to indiscriminantly chastize soldiers in general as he was accused of in 1971. I am certain that when the facts point to specific individuals who are proven culpable he will speak out as forcefully as he did 35 years ago.
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:52 AM
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11. Kerry Has His Chance!

Kerry has his chance now! What is he waiting for? What Kerry did 35 years ago is old history. What he does today matters. And no one is suggesting that he chastize soldiers in general. Kucinich hasn't.

Perhaps Kerry could at least demand a full investigation and public release of "the facts" and punishment of those who are responsible for the brutality. Is that too much to expect from John Kerry?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:57 AM
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12. He has said that
"We must learn the facts and take the appropriate action. As Americans, we must stand tall for the rule of law and freedom everywhere."
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 12:21 PM
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14. No He Hasn't!

Where in his brief statement does John Kerry demand a full investigation and public release of "the facts" and punishment of those who are responsible for the brutality?

He says we must simply learn the facts and take appropriate action.

I can read and so can you. However, it seems you are trying to read things into his statement that simply are not there.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:47 PM
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17. I agree-NOW is the time for Kerry to be forceful....I mean
this administration is sure as hell giving him one opportunity after another to make some major points.

What IS he waiting for??? I agree with the poster below (lavalamp? cool handle) :hi: almost like the DLC wants him to lose.....they basically picked the weakest candidate and now he is sits like a quiet boring lump!

Man, we coulda had DK. I still have Republican friends tell me they would have voted for Dennis but no way will they vote for Kerry.

Peace
DR
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:48 AM
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9. Kerry is just trying to protect the military and it's reputation
He's a former soldier so that's understandable, but abuses, like this have also happened to US citizens and fellow soldiers -- rapes, sexual harrassment, domestic abuse, etc.. Anyone remember Tailhook?

There's something about the military that seems to breed abuse.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:52 AM
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10. Contractors Implicated in Prison Abuse Remain on the Job
"overshadow"? It's a mudslide.

By JOEL BRINKLEY and JAMES GLANZ
Published: May 4, 2004

WASHINGTON, May 3 — More than two months after a classified Army report found that two contract workers were implicated in the abuse of Iraqis at a prison outside Baghdad, the companies that employ them say that they have heard nothing from the Pentagon, and that they have not removed any employees from Iraq. <snip>
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/04/international/middleeast/04CONT.html





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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:24 PM
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15. Where's Kerry?

Today Republican and Democratic Senators (McCain, Clinton, Kennedy, Daschle, etc.,) are speaking out loudly on the latest revelations. Has Kerry lost his tongue?

Perhaps others are putting a lot of pressure on Kerry to speak out boldly on this matter. Think he might bow down to the pressure and become relevant? He was speaking today before a group of elementary school children on education. That's nice, but perhaps he should pay attention to what is happening in the world and go after the Bush government on this scandal. Guess the best thing would be for him to keep quiet on this and just about every other issue dealing with the military otherwise the Bush government might attack him. Can't have that!

Kerry is starting to make Al Gore seem like a really strong, dynamic and powerful candidate.
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Lavalamp Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 04:31 PM
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16. If this pansy approach to everything keeps up
much longer I am going to be convinced that Kerry WANTS to lose this election. Considering the way the DLC destroyed the superior candidates this would not surprise me.
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 05:38 PM
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18. Waiting .............
Nothing new on John Kerry's website yet. Waiting ..............
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Solidarity Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:11 AM
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19. Don't Worry

Still waiting. Don't worry. John Kerry is on top of this story and will speak out forcefully later this morning .... or this afternoon ..... tomorrow ....... Friday .......In June.
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