Torture in the Search for WMD?

The one thing I see missing from all this controversy is what were the questions being asked that "required" torture. Remember this was going on more than 6 months ago.

Were these Iraqis being tortured to find WMD's or links to Al Queda? If so, wouldn't that mean torture was being used in an effort to provide cover for the White House justification for invading???

in their body cavities?:eyes:

Had them well hidden....

and as was the case with Watergate, it's the coverup that will bring Dingbat* down.

When King Henry II said, "Who will rid me of this mettlesome priest," it led to to the death of Thomas Beckett...

At least Henry acknowledge the responsiblility, wheeras our King George never will...

Said that torture would be justified if it led to the WMDs or proved the Saddam / 911 question.

That was Rumsfeld's mindset all along is my thinking

But will it hold up in court? Should we let it?

I raised last night on this forum. I hope it's raised in the hearings coming up...what were the reasons for the use of torture. As there are no excuses for using torture, it bears looking into.

Since they brought in MG Miller in August and he was the Gitmo Interogator General.... From Taguba's Report:

IO COMMENTS ON MG MILLER’S ASSESSMENT

1. (S/NF) MG Miller’s team recognized that they were using JTF-GTMO operational procedures and interrogation authorities as baselines for its observations and recommendations. There is a strong argument that the intelligence value of detainees held at JTF-Guantanamo (GTMO) is different than that of the detainees/internees held at Abu Ghraib (BCCF) and other detention facilities in Iraq. Currently, there are a large number of Iraqi criminals held at Abu Ghraib (BCCF). These are not believed to be international terrorists or members of Al Qaida, Anser Al Islam, Taliban, and other international terrorist organizations. (ANNEX 20)

2. (S/NF) The recommendations of MG Miller’s team that the “guard force” be actively engaged in setting the conditions for successful exploitation of the internees would appear to be in conflict with the recommendations of MG Ryder’s Team and AR 190-8 that military police “do not participate in military intelligence supervised interrogation sessions.” The Ryder Report concluded that the OEF template whereby military police actively set the favorable conditions for subsequent interviews runs counter to the smooth operation of a detention facility. (ANNEX 20)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001

Caution strong stuff and only the tip of the iceberg...

It was posted earlier today by Junkdrawer and is a fascinating read. The part about MG Miller puzzles me. I heard it actually discussed on NPR this evening but am not satisfied. I feel he may be the architect of the Interrogation process. Very interesting and perhaps deserves it's own thread?

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001

Nice catch leftchick...

From the Taguba report:

ASSESSMENT OF DoD COUNTER-TERRORISM INTERROGATION AND DETENTION OPERATIONS IN IRAQ (MG MILLER’S ASSESSMENT)

1. (S/NF) The principal focus of MG Miller’s team was on the strategic interrogation of detainees/internees in Iraq. Among its conclusions in its Executive Summary were that CJTF-7 did not have authorities and procedures in place to affect a unified strategy to detain, interrogate, and report information from detainees/internees in Iraq. The Executive Summary also stated that detention operations must act as an enabler for interrogation. (ANNEX 20)

So one could assume that without interference form the GITMO crowd this may not have happened. So let's inculpate Ashcroft as well....

makes perfect sense.

or take pictures of you raping someone one else.

To wit:
d. (U) Mr. Adel L. Nakhla, a US civilian contract translator was questioned about several detainees accused of rape. He observed (sic): “They (detainees) were all naked, a bunch of people from MI, the MP were there that night and the inmates were ordered by SGT Granier and SGT Frederick ordered the guys while questioning them to admit what they did. They made them do strange exercises by sliding on their stomach, jump up and down, throw water on them and made them some wet, called them all kinds of names such as “gays” do they like to make love to guys, then they handcuffed their hands together and their legs with shackles and started to stack them on top of each other by insuring that the bottom guys penis will touch the guy on tops butt.”

Bush and Rummie have put a great deal of pressure on our forces to find WMDs or real links to al Qaeda. The result of this pressure is the use of torture to prove something that is not true.

in making sure that no American will be tried for War Crimes before the International Criminal Court.

Well George, War Crimes normally don't happen without a war, and you can that to the bank...you sonnofabitch...

on edit: spelling and bad words added