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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:42 PM
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I think Bush is insane. Okay, mentally ill. Any idea what's ailin' him?
Here's a few possibilities, but I admit that I don't have much Knowledge of these. They seem to fit.

-Asperger Syndrome - A rare and relatively mild autistic disorder characterized by awkwardness in social interaction, pedantry in speech, and preoccupation with very narrow interests.

-Schizophrenia - A long-term mental disorder of a type involving a breakdown in the relation between thought, emotion, and behaviour, leading to faulty perception, inappropriate actions and feelings, withdrawal from reality and personal relationships into fantasy and delusion, and a sense of mental fragmentation.

-Grandiose delusion: This occurs when a person’s belief about his/her own importance or station in life is grossly out of proportion to what is really true. For instance, a person might believe that he/she is Jesus Christ.


Any more ideas?


Me Book
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:44 PM
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1. Clap.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:44 PM
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2. There was a great article written by a psychologist
a while back that was widely linked on DU..must have been close to a year ago basically detailing all the signs that he is a psychopath.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:54 PM
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8. Were you around when we had the DU chat with Mark Crispin Miller?
He's the author of The Bush Dyslexicon, the chat took place probably about 2 years ago or so.

Quite revealing -- and chilling. I think it may have been Miller who originally came up with the "malignant narcissist" diagnosis, but I'm not entirely sure.

sw
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:56 PM
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11. Yeah but this was a woman. I thought I had it bookmarked
but can't find it...
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:07 PM
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13. Darn, I don't recall it.
Sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't come up with any helpful details. :-(

sw

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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:00 AM
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24. do you mean "Is Bush Nuts?" by Carol Wolman MD?
here's a bit:

Is the President Nuts?
Diagnosing Dubya

by CAROL WOLMAN, M.D.

Many people, inside and especially outside this country, believe that the American president is nuts, and is taking the world on a suicidal path. As a board-certified psychiatrist, I feel it's my duty to share my understanding of his psychopathology. He's a complicated man, under tremendous pressure from both his family/junta, and from the world at large. So the following is offered with humility and questioning, in the form of a differential diagnosis.

From the Freudian point of view:

Dubya may be acting out a classical Oedipal drama--overcome Daddy to get Mommy. By deposing Saddam, when his father did not, he may want to prove himself more worthy of his mother's love. His rationale that he is avenging the assassination attempt on George, Sr., may be a reaction formation- his way of hiding the true motive from himself.

From the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Fourth Edition:

Antisocial Personality Disorder--301.7

There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others since age 15 years as indicated by at least three of the following: 1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest; 2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; 5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others; 7) lack of remorse by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated or stolen from others..." (more)

it's from the Oct 2 2002 counterpunch--I found it cached at google
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:lWeGNar-ddYJ:www.counterpunch.org/wolman1002.html+%22is+Bush+Nuts%3F%22&hl=en

great article

I bet he's got narcissistic personality disorder too.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 03:28 AM
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36. Was it this one?
March 25, 2003

Dear President Bush,

At this time of national crisis, I would like to offer my assistance to you.

As a practicing psychologist for more than thirty years, it has become clear to me that your mental health has been seriously neglected. In the interest of our nation, I would like to offer my services as a psychologist to you on a "pro bono" basis. It would, after all, be for the good of the country.

Of course, it would be presumptuous of me to attempt to diagnose your emotional difficulties without meeting you face to face. However, I believe that I have had sufficient opportunity to observe you to put forth a few hypotheses of "trouble" areas with which you seem to need assistance.

First, and of great concern, is evidence of delusional thinking - a symptom of psychosis. The delusion that seems most evident is that bombing a people into submission is a strong foundation for democracy, and for generating good will in a nation. There is also the delusion that Saddam Hussein poses an imminent threat to the USA. (Or was that just a lie, suggesting psychopathic deviance?)

Another symptom that many people have noted is disorganized and incoherent speech, which, unfortunately, can be another symptom of psychosis. Confused thinking is also a problem for you, as demonstrated by the idea that our reason for going to war is Iraq's defiance of the UN, yet you are defying the UN by going to war. This suggests rather muddled cognitive functioning.

These symptoms suggest that I would feel that a referral to a psychiatrist for medication might be indicated. However, your history of multiple substance abuse should lead to caution in the use of certain psychotropic medications.

While there are some indicators of psychosis, there are also many signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, which include arrogance and grandiosity, as well as a need for unlimited power. There is also a lack of empathy for others, and, in your case, no regard for them at all if they speak another language. You suffer from an excessive need for admiration and a sense of entitlement. Evidence for that includes your refusal to speak before the European Union unless you could be guaranteed a standing ovation. Your actions regarding attacking Iraq in spite of negative world reaction reveal your arrogance in a clear and obvious way.

Emotional immaturity has been in evidence as well. The tendency toward black and white thinking is one sign of emotional immaturity. Statements that divide the world into good and evil, and "you're with us or against us" reflect thinking typical of a young child. Emotional growth and development is known to be stunted by substance abuse. Could that be what happened with you?

Problems with the truth are also in evidence, as in such statements as "I am a man of peace", "I am a uniter (sic) not a divider" and "I’m hopeful that we can avoid a war." None of these statements enjoy the support of your behavior. While a certain amount of lying is expected from politicians, yours seems to be well in excess of the norm.

Although I have a busy schedule, I am confident that my current patients, in the service of their country, would be willing to change their schedules to accommodate you.

I also need to warn you that I cannot guarantee relief from all the above symptoms, as personality disorders are notoriously difficult to treat. Therefore, in order to pursue your recovery, it might be wise to consider resigning from the stresses of your current position to devote your time to your psychological well being.

Sincerely,

Diana DeVito Clinical Psychologist

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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:46 PM
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3. Malignant narcissist.
He's a sociopath. Look up the diagnostics of malignant narcissism, fits him to a tee.

sw
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:47 PM
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4. BPD
Borderline Personality Disorder.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:08 PM
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14. Yes, BPD
I was going to say NPD (Narcissitic Personality Disorder), but BPD seems likely too as BPD can show symptoms from the full range of personality disorders.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:47 PM
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5. ...just Sa ddam crazy... (nt)
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:48 PM
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6. Fanaticism

He is a fanatic

pure and simple

----
Source: Merriam-Webster Medical Dictionary, © 2002 Merriam-Webster, Inc.


fanaticism

\Fa*nat"i*cism\, n. Excessive enthusiasm, unreasoning zeal, or wild and extravagant notions, on any subject, especially religion; religious frenzy.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:50 PM
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7. Korsakoff's syndrome
Edited on Wed May-05-04 10:59 PM by BlueEyedSon
Korsakoff's syndrome is a brain disorder that is usually associated with heavy drinking over a long period. Although it is not strictly speaking a dementia, people with the condition experience loss of short term memory. This sheet outlines the causes, symptoms and treatment of the syndrome.

The main symptom is memory loss, particularly of events arising after the onset of the condition. Sometimes, memories of the more distant past can also be affected. Other symptoms may include:

* Difficulty in acquiring new information or learning new skills.
* Lack of insight into the condition. Even a person with great gaps in their memory may believe their memory is functioning normally.
* Inventing events to fill the gaps in memory. This is more common in the early stages of the illness and is known as 'confabulation'.
* Apathy, in some cases, or talkative and repetitive behaviour in others.

People usually retain skills that they acquired before developing the disorder, so they are often able to manage with appropriate support.

http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/Facts_about_dementia/What_is_dementia/info_korsakoffs.htm
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:55 PM
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9. Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Here are the symptoms. Sound familiar?

<snip>

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (American Psychiatric Association, 1994, pg. 661) describes Narcissistic Personality Disorder as a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

* has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements);
* is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love;
* believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions);
* requires excessive admiration;
* has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations;
* is interpersonally exploitive, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends;
* lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others;
* is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her;
* shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------Sound like anyone you know of? ;)
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:56 PM
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10. Yes - I agree with THAT diagnosis. He's also a Sociopath (dual diagnosis).
n/t
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kera Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:02 PM
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12. from my observation
I believe based on his laughter and smile -I have already seen on the face of some people worldwide- who are idiot but not altogether retarded ,very down earth, very egocentric and total lack of compassion , for such subject cruelty is confused with determination.

Of course such subjects get only to annoy their limited environment or families never the whole word . In the case at hand we allowed such specie to rule because to his recklessness is matched with our imbecility
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robbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:09 PM
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15. Just plain nuts.
n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:10 PM
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16. I like your third diagnosis.
In his case, it seems to have been aided by fawning and unscrupulous underlings who have bolstered this delusion for their own purposes.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:12 PM
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17. he's a sociopath for sure
no conscience. acute narcissism.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:17 PM
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18. I'm posting this because of the topic
Edited on Wed May-05-04 11:20 PM by seemslikeadream
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:22 PM
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19. OMG, this is too scary!
It seems to fill in the blanks of what we see him say and do in public if it can be verified.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:29 PM
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21. Those are the exact words I used when I first read it.
Scary

The curse could be coming true.
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Only Me Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:27 PM
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20. He stuffers from...
Split Personality Disorder.
He shares his mind and body with himself, Hitler, the Anti-Christ and God, and he's just running out of space to put everyone. :freak:

:D
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:36 PM
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22. I watched a Frontline on PBS a couple of years ago.....
Edited on Wed May-05-04 11:37 PM by nomaco-10
about the mental/medical problems of past president's, it profiled FDR, Reagan, Clinton and bush sr., as usual, it was very interesting. It said that bushbastard senior suffered from Grave's disease. It described the disease as having the symptoms of "tunnel vision" and further described the symptoms of manifesting themselves into a mode of a "one track mind" way of thinking. If this is an inherited gene, it would explain alot about jr's complete obsession with Iraq. Who knows?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:05 AM
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25. Is that right? Graves disease affects the BRAIN?
Poppy has it? I know that Babs has it - that's why she has the bulging eyes. If George Junior has Graves disease might that be grounds for removing him, if it's known to affect the BRAIN?
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:55 AM
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31. Graves disease is a condition of the thyroid
Not curable, but treatable.

While it may cause irritableness, it does not cause the kind of behavior we see in *.

My husband has it; I assure you, I would not still be married to him if he were like *.

For more info,
http://www.ngdf.org/faq.htm

Tansy Gold
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pop goes the weasel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 11:48 PM
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23. he's snorting again
this was the general consensus among my drug-savvy students, the ones who are or have been users themselves.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:08 AM
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26. pernicious goditis
It causes messianic delusions and supernatural privileges over other living beings.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:32 AM
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27. alcoholic,
sociopathic, self delusional, meglomaniac.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:50 AM
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28. I think he is megalomaniacal. But I hope that he is just
a frat boy trying to pay the piper for all the affluence provided.

megalomania \meg-uh-lo-MAY-nee-ah; -nyuh\, noun:
1. A mania for grandiose or extravagant things or actions.
2. A mental disorder characterized by delusions of grandeur.

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mykpart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:51 AM
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29. I think he has what the character
Julia Duffy played on "Designing Women" had: OPD - Obnoxious Personality Disorder!:silly:
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:55 AM
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30. Not Asperger's Syndrome.
I have Asperger's Syndrome, and know several other people with it; Bush is a bit too social and extroverted. And his speech is hardly pedantic; quite the opposite.

I don't think it's schizophrenia, either.

More likely narcissistic personality disorder/borderline personality disorder/some form of congenital learning disorder (of which his dyslexia is a symptom). Possibly, also, alcohol-related brain damage.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 03:00 AM
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33. I just heard of Asperger's today.
"Fresh Air" with Terri Gross today was on Asperger's.

It was fascinating, and once again it's a brain-function thing that affects males much more often than females.

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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 03:08 AM
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34. four to one male/female ratio...
Which seems to indicate a higher probability of genetic linkage...

I missed "Fresh Air"...I'll have to look for the transcript on npr.org, I guess, or see if it's archived...
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 03:18 AM
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35. I think you can even listen to it at npr.org.
Poor boys. Seems like they get all the knocks. :(
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:38 AM
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40. My husband said the NPR story on Asperger's was good
I didn't get to hear it. I head up an Asperger's support group, so anyone wanting more info, please PM me.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 12:59 AM
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32. Bu$h is a
Edited on Thu May-06-04 01:05 AM by burrowowl
psychopath. I know they don't use it anymore, but Bu$h is a psychopath ... pure and simple.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 04:30 AM
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37. Alcohol and
too much crack cocaine damaged the little amount of brain that he had.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:17 AM
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38. Might be something widespread and under the radar, infant brain damage
from trauma due to shaking the baby, a fall, a series of slaps, child abuse, mother was drinking while carrying, etc

or drug use as an teen/adult, causing holes in the brain.

and of course, all of the above posts.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 05:33 AM
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39. Not Asperger's
Two of my three children have Asperger syndrome - it's not that. People with Asperger's seldom lie - they don't get it. They have no tolerance for pettiness (again they don't get it). They are very literal-minded, and say always exactly what they think the minute they think it.

I think it's bipolar disorder: Mood swings from manic to depressed. Mania can be classic mania, or can be agressiveness or extreme agitation. There is a type of bipolar disorder that is characterized by hypomania - this person rarely exhibits the depressed side, but instead is always a bit manic with episodes of extreme mania. Bipolar disorder can also present with dillusions of grandeur, hearing voices, psychotic episodes, and disconnection from reality. People who are bipolar are often alcoholics and drug users, because they self medicate. Alcohol and drug abuse are actually DMIV critereon for bipolar. Paranoia is also a manic symptom - the belief that people are out to get you. This would go right along with Bush's insistence on secrecy!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 10:47 AM
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42. I knew I'd get in trouble funnin' with mental illness.
Nothing funny about dealing with a loved one who suffers. My dad/Alzheimer's.

Nothing funny about Bush's aliment either when you consider the consequences for our nation and the world as he breaks everything in sight. Interesting though how many well thought out diagnoses folks have in the forefront of their view of Bush.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-06-04 06:41 AM
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41. Dammit, he's a REPTILE!
And it ain't like he's the only one in Washingtoon D & C, either.

If we persist in diagnosing him by using human standards, we'll never find out what his (apparent) dysfunction really is.

Reptilians have no conscience, no concept of right-and-wrong and they feed on fear. Sound like anyone we know?

:freak:
dbt
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