Rumsfield Hearing 5/6/04 Thread 2

here's thread 1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1548097&mesg_id=1548097

Thanks.

Sometimes I appreciate their hatred driven labor and bandwith. . .you can always count on them.

you are indeed the real Americans

Wow. I'm still marveling at their courage. They spoke for the millions of us who are horrified by this.

i missed the look on his face because i was typing!

Notice that he didn't have a snappy, smug, knee slapping comeback to their demonstration? He knows he is in trouble.

now remember this is being broadcasted all over the world

You thiink this is not running on oh Al Jazeera? You bet, so those
protesters speak for US...

Oh and this deputy commander, that is why a soldier was busted to buck private and given a dishonorable discharge, that is JUSTICE? NOPE that would be busted to E-1, (SOP), and 20 years at Leavenworth

And tnis is not systemmic... YOU IDIOT Maj General Taquba does not agree, he said SYSTEMIC ABUSES

millions?

Do you think that only people in the US count? It's only braindead idiotic Bush supporters in this country who aren't appalled. Every other decent human being on the planet, including millions in the US are rightfully appalled and outraged.

Are you?

streets to protest this war. Yes, MILLIONS! You know, the MILLIONS of us that bu$h referred to as "focus groups." Yes THOSE MILLIONS.

have a conscience and believe that morals aren't relative. Certainly a few million. Get out some and you'll learn.

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

Live now.

but the gist I am getting is... this is not going well for the home team... aka Rummy and crew... Am I correct? Oh and remember we also have a House Hearing today as well...

Or just a recommendation?

CSM of the Army, perhaps?

BHN

They are saying we investigated. Why didn't they PUT A STOP TO IT FIRST????? Then investigate.

If that question doesn't get asked, I will be really pissed.

THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT A STOP TO IT THE MINUTE IT WAS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION. :grr:

They are trying to change the subject from what happened to what they are doing. I hope they don't get away with it.

TYY

"it is only 6" then they are mother truckers.

35 investigations "in the theater" means a hell of alot more then 6. Murder? Good God. These pictures are only the tip of the iceberg.

. . . and FIRE HIS ASS!!!

"THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT A STOP TO IT THE MINUTE IT WAS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION."

TYY

His mismanagement and lack of detail has proved to be a national embarrassment.

This SOB can't talk his way out of his failure and his despicable leadership.

Congressmen/women, put him in the gutter where he belongs.

Perhaps, instead of hoisting over big sacks of money to Chalabi, Bu$h and their minions, they should do THEIR JOB and, um, provide some *oversight*!

I wonder if they held a pow wow yesterday to basically stay on subject

That is why they should have done this yesterday... no time

It's always "Here's how we plan to behave in the future" crap.

Let's talk about what we are going to do now that we have been found out.

I am sooooooo mad right now listening to these bullshit artists paint their canvas of lies and excuses. If I took blood pressure medication, I would need a triple dose. :grr:

We KNEW that!!! Now let's see if they are made public and if they will discern WHERE the additional abuses took place . . . Will WE find out when bush found out???


Torture Accomplished


Ann Coulter – Mercenary!

I think Cheney is the REAL alpha male.

...with Flightsuit Boy, but Cheney's head wasn't on the prisoner. Could I get a copy of that one, please?

Thanks.

are they kidding?

NOT a flag.
Medal of Honor?

give me a sec ok, but definitely not honor may be a silver star

I can't imagine what else it would be (if it's not a flag).

Actually it drives me frickin crazy when they call a war zone a theater. It is an extremely inappropriate descriptive. There are people dying here!

I swear, Rummy can't make a simple declarative sentence!

Do I like to pose rhetorical questions and then answer them myself? You bet! Does it drive northernsoul nuts? Yep, probably.

You bet.

Is Rummy gonna get fired?
Probably not.

n/t

that would affect the safety of our troops. Yet, the Bushies say the reason they don't want the coffin photos shown is NOT due to fear of negative reaction of US taxpayers but out of "respect for families."

These guys are snakes.

of it all...

last night on Hardball.

They are being allowed to plant the positive message to the public first. Warner is pissing me off. I saw Lieberman standing around, he must be part of the questioning panel. You know he's a piece of shit.

I'm so proud of the soldiers...I'm very proud of you Miss England.

allowed to do that!" He is not very happy.

being given the chance to make their "defense" in an opening statement

. . . those opening statements were dishonest.

I hope the members of the senate come forward and say what the people of the United States are thinking and feeling. They need to ask the tough questions and state the hard facts.

TYY


"THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT A STOP TO IT THE MINUTE IT WAS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION." ~lovedems

that's why the TAGUBA REPORT was LEAKED !!!!

It was a SECRET REPORT !!!

but a failure of leadership

Folks the way they are coasing their words, I think some careers are
indeed over, and I do not mean the junior people who are usually used as the excuse.... damn enlisted, they never know what to do, that is why we officers never fail... I think something serious is going on... and Warner STOP LOGGING soft balls

Do they really expect this to be contained to a "few" people?? Or are they just trying to delude the American people?


Ann Coulter – Mercenary!

contained in a few.... if this is systemic (it is) it is because we goofed when we told troops geneva does not apply to prisoners on the war on terror. You may not be aware of the four complaints at the International Tribunal at Nuremberg, but they are... and one of those indictments involves the total and complete disregard for the rules of war... that is considered a war crime.

They are also aware of crimes against Peace an I could go on

Well, DUH, Warner...


and cRummy says...."it's a tough question"

unreal

GO LEVIN... if this goes far enough up the chain... it is your
ass SecDef... and that of yhour boss the First PRince and the ruling Regent (chenney)

This is a bunch of BULLSHIT!
They are not going anywhere near the
REAL issues, the fact that RUMMY WITHHELD
this report from Congress.
The foxes sent to investigate the hen house-AGAIN!
I am so angry at the farce of this hearing!
I am foaming at the mouth!!!!
Where's my barf bag?
My drool cup?
Oh fuck it, give me a drink...
This is fucking pathetic.
Just pathetic.
BHN

rumbutt will take his time saying bullshit. Warner didn't pinpoint specific question. I'd like to see who will come up with specific question to get specific answers. Hope the democrats on the panel ask the right questions.

HA! When did the UN ever matter to him!

The original Rumsfeld Plan for invasion/occupation of Iraq was/is seriously flawed as far as manpower and equipment requirements.

They know it now. To admit so would be to admit fault, which these clowns DO NOT like to admit.

Iraq is a f** story and they are scared shitless politically to enact conscription because that also would be an admission of massive failure not to mention the potential massive resistance to such an act could split this country far worse than Vietnam ever did.

The military officer corps is afraid to ask for more troops because of the beheading that happened to General Shinseki before the invasion. The soldiers in Iraq are fucked.

This administration has destroyed the fabric of this country.

Get him!

n/t

well, gee, Jim..you're a great guy , that I've known years..well, golly, bob, let me just say why this isn't what it seems...well, you do that, Jim, cause I know you sound sincere...

for the gist...So far it seems to be soft on Rummy...

McCain is up now...

levin is trying to pin rummy down.

levin is awesome right now. don't stop, carl.

rummy will not say YES or NO.

and said Levin "concluded" something in his question.

Levin is now asking is Rummy feels the people who did these things should be held accountable. Rummy calling the conduct brutal, cruel, humane... should be brought to justice.

Levin asked how far up the chain Rummy would hold those responsible. Rummy AGAIN deferred.

Levin asks again. Rummy says "anyone who recommended the kind of behavior represented in those photos would have to be brought to justice." Clearly, he did NOT want to give that answer on the record.

And the BBC World Service flatly stated his testimony was stage managed.

The world is pissed!

To set conditions for the "treatment"...

in so many years....

Military intel asked to change procedures...

What were those changes...

Gen Takooga report...

Are those to be held accountable...?

Rummy....skipping, dancing....anyone would have o be brought....

how far up the chain are you willing to go....? Levin

WOn't answer...he won't answer


He is asking again....

RUmmy, certainly recomend that kind of behavior need t be brough to justice....

Coward! Levin cuts off one of Rummy's minions and directs his question again to Rummy.

how far up the chain of command will this go?

he knows DAMN WELL Rummy was at the prison and ORDERED THE CHANGES

I don't think Rummy is going to make it if John McCain does the right thing.

c'mon, McCain. pin down rummy.

Rummy WON'T ANSWER. TRIED TO PASS IT ALONG.

ALL MCCAIN WANTS TO KNOW WHO WAS IN CHARGE. HE WANTS NAMES.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Military Intelligence made changes to how prisoners, who gave the orders?

Rumbutt doesn't know. Asked a lower military to answer the questions.


Levin kicking his butt. Asking if procecution will go up the chain of command...Rumbutt dancing around not answering.

McCain brings on his shit.

Time up already?

AHA!

who are you going to get to go there?

and how they are trying to get around it, who is in charge?

or what private contractors....

Heart of this matter....

Rummy and the JCS Chairman is now in trouble... look at Rummy, his lip is quivering... McCain is not letting this go...

He was tactical control, secretary you can answer these questions... GOD McCain is going after him hard...

He is not letting him off with the modifed Nuremberg Defense...

Meyers: "we didn't bring that"

He just called Rummy on this.

"This could be satisfied with a phone call."

ROFL!!

:bounce:

You was in charge? "You CAN'T answer this question?"!!!

Give it to him John!

no copy of the CHAIN of COMMAND?!?!?!?!

These fuck-ups left their visual aids back at the office.

Apologies to the femminsts on the board, but Rumsfeld REFUSES to answer direct questions, even from his fellow pukes!

"You have to answer this question!"

cRummy was looking to the others to answer...

He is bitch slapping Rummy around...

McCain keeps insisting cRummy answer his question..cRummy keeps answering everything but

Who is in charge of the contractors????

No one can answer......

These men are pissing their pants. They look like deer in headlights.

They WON'T answer the question.

Rummy looks like my 4 year old nephew being prompted to show someone his newest "Trick"...he'll stop and look at his mother for guidance to make sure he doesn't screw up and embarrass himself.

Absolutely ridiculous.

not good rummy

McCain wants his ASS!

He just wrecked Rummy. Wrecked him.

no one knows who the fuck is running the show...

rumbutt doesn't know shit. Rumbutt said that they forgot to bring the information. They are being kicked in not answer the chain of command.

Gizzer didn't know shit.

duck duck duck duck
quack

Oh, my! Golly-gosh! We just didn't bring the report that lists who was in charge of the interrogations! Jeepers!!!

:puke:

much more akin to the Watergate hearings.

McCain is Sam Ervin and Howard Baker rolled into one for these purposes.

Still, he is worried about support for the conflict . . .



“I is sorry . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .that we got caught!”

must've missed it with all that blather...

This arrogant prick didn't even bother to prepare for the hearing.

I am screaming at the computer.

RUMMY IS TRANSPARENT.

What were the instructions to the gaurds...

Who auhtorized?

Who was in charge...?


RUmmy is ducking his questions....

Intel....

and Rummy you said that Geneva didi not apply to the Prisoners, didn't you?

You are so FULL OF IT

Oh and Geneva also requires that civilians are treated under the conventiosn and REGISTRED with the Red Cross, YOU TWIT