FIRE RUMSFELD!

http://www.hatecrime.org/img/hecklers.mpg

God bless them.

LOL!

And thank you!

At least it shows many of us "get it".

No respect for parliamentary procedure, strident shouting, but none of the folks at home will get the message.

Besides, it should be all about impeaching the whole administration. It's not like RUMMY is the real reason for all this mess. I'll be pretty pissed if Rummy ennds up being the scapegoat for this botched phony war.

IMPEACH THE WHOLE DAMN GANG! Anything less is deflecting fire away from the top where it belongs.


EDIT: On watching the whole video, I think even more that it was a silly display. No wonder people don't take the left seriously.

I think we are beyond worrying about maintaining decorum at all costs.

Fuck the Nazi pukes.....FIRE RUMSFELD!!

We have to stop these friggin' warmongering Nazis in their tracks!!

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than to look CORRUPT, EVIL, MANIACAL AND OBSESSED WITH WORLD DOMINANCE.

And the Left IS taken very seriously, it we weren't, The Bush Crime Family would not be going out of their way to forbid films (Michael Moore), radio jocks (Stern) and cartoons (Ted Ral).

The magnitude of negative events under the Bush corporate cabal is unprecedented. We are watching the degradation and disgrace of our great Nation. I am worried not enough people have the moral courage demonstrated by these protesters. They made their point, they exited peacefully, and parliamentary procedure continued.

Can you name for me exactly when in history a couple of noisy rabble-rousers disrupting an official procedure has ACTUALLY affected a real change?

This display does as much for the cause of defeating the BFEE as PC speech codes have done to eliminate racism - absolutely nothing.

Better to have huge crowds heckling our OWN right-leaning democrat politicicans, to pressure them into actually showing some spine, if you must heckle.


"ZELL! Be a democrat, or get the hell out of the party!"

There was a group of rabble rousers that didn't like the Stamp Act very much. The Boston Massacre resulted. Significant changes ensued.

There is a balancing test you can use to analyze this incident. Balance the value of:
1. Americans appalled by the one-minute disruption of parliamentary procedure during a hearing of the Armed Services Committee, vs.
2. Americans inspired by a peaceful demonstration against war and war crimes inside the Senate Building.

Uner the circumstances, I think the value of #2 is greater.

...filled with righteous anger (as was the case in the Boston Massacre) it would be one thing. But here we have just 2 or three loud screamers - calling for the termination of THE MURDERER's LACKEY. Sorry, but it makes no sense to me.

- I am like the protesters and millions of Americans. I am filled with righteous anger that our men and women and innocent Iraqis are being slaughtered in a wrongful war. I am appalled to see the corrupt ministers trying to hide war crimes committed in our names.
- The protesters stood up for us today. It wouldn't matter if it was just one person. The protest was seen by millions.
- The method of protest used makes much more sense than what you suggested. A large mob would never have come close to Rumsfeld. The small group represented millions of Americans.
- If you don't think Rumsfeld is a murderer, we are simply in fundamental disagreemeent. We have become a pariah state because of this unjust war, which has now claimed tens of thousands of lives.

but letting him become a scapegoat for the real ringleaders could be a dangerous thing.

Don't get me wrong, I despise the man, but I get the feeling that by everybody focusing on Rummy, we are doing exactly what the Bushistas want. I think Rummy's been dispensable to them ever since his comments last year on how he didn't think the war was going too well ( and that was beck when most people still thought it was going okay).

and that will see itself spread about--simply becuase of the energy it instituted by the bravery of these six people.

We are energized by this. That energy spreads.

No way should we turn up our noses at this energy and this brave confrontation

NO WAY

Because of TV news' tendency to subtly ridicule protesters (or overtly in the case of Fox), protests need to be BIG, and they need to be focused. A couple of misfits lashing out at one of President Cheney's lieutenants accomplishes little if anything. Rummy is just another asshole in this administration. He has done his job exactly as he was instructed by Cheney & Bush, so why are we going after him?

- IMO, more influential than Bush himself. I mean, it's a stretch to me to attrubute one original idea to Bush. He's a stuffed shirt, just like Reagan.
- Rumsfeld has done tremendous damage to the military. He has purged the best leaders and installed yes men. He was a driving force to invade and occupy Iraq, when the real threat was elsewhere.
- I understand your viewpoint on the protesters, which is reasonable, I just don't agree with it.

are the ones giving testimony!! the ones who RUN the government, yet hold no respect for the people OR proper procedure!! I'm afraid you've got it backwards, my friend.
this is the closest protestors have gotten to BushCo, who has repeatedly tried to silence the left with their "free speech zones"
this shows the people are paying attention and want ACCOUNTABILITY.
I think it's bloody brillant. unfortunately, this administration WILL NEVER be impeached, in part or in whole.

Thanks for the link.

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Can someone make the case that if Rummie goes it doesn't have the effect of letting Bush off the hook in this, that it doesn't make it seem - temporarily, at least - that Rumsfeld was the whole problem with all of the administration's problems, and thereby allow Bush to appear as a fresh and innocent as a newborn lamb ready for a second term that will no doubt result in some new American renaisance?

No sarcasm intended (really). Just sceptical (but open minded) that losing Rums doesn't help Bush. I hear that Bush knew about this in January (he lies again). Can anyone confirm that? Maybe we should cancentrate on Bush instead.

The signal for an attack on Rumsfeld was given by Bush himself, in a rebuke to the Pentagon boss delivered at a closed-door meeting Wednesday in the White House, then promptly leaked to the press to provide fodder for the evening television news and front-page reports in the major daily newspapers Thursday.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/may2004/iraq-m07.shtml

and we must never forget these horrible deeds.