Rumsfeld will meet with Bush tonight to discuss stepping down....

for the benefit of the military and the nation. Bush will reluctantly accept his decision. Because, he cannot withstand the scrutiny when the other photos and video are made public. And Bush will thank him for his service...

Rumsfeld is part of the neo-con network that was needed to make the Iraq occupation a reality. I think Bush will hang onto him for dear life.

And it has now become a necessity because more bad news is yet to come and might point toward Bush himself if he cannot get someone of Rumsfeld's stature to step down. He's gone.

I doubt he'll be too far out of the neocon loop. In some ways, that thought is scarier than keeping him on...Think about roaches in the kitchen when the lights are off.

you see, he's a scapegoat now, any photos, videos, stories, and victims of abuse and war crimes can now be rested squarely on rummy's shoulders, leaving the vhimp and the walking heart attack unscathed

These arrogant bastards are true believers. They believe that they are absolutely right and that everyone who opposes them or their policies is the enemy. They won't step down, they will have to be tossed out on their asses

Rummy is going to develop medical issues and resign within 3 months

The Senate Hearings to confirm a new SoD would hurt the BFEE more than keeping Rumsfeld on.

the good of the nation or the armed services or the Iraqi population: The focus will be on what will help bush get re selected.

No way would the R's want a confirmation hearing for a new SecDef, during wartime, this close to the election. His point was that the hearing would become an inquiry into everything that has gone wrong in Iraq and Afghanistan - and that would be much more problematic for Bush than living with Rummy.

However, If Bush wins in Nov, I'd expect Rummy gone before the first of December.

Sid

The *ies will have to appoint a new Sec'y of Defense and the confirmation hearings would uncover too many secrets. I think they will try to keep Rummie on. I think they will try to wait out the scandal.

Someone harmless, with nothing in the record for the Senate to grab hold of. Maybe a Democrat. Think William Cohen in reverse.

Just wondering. My guess is that if he's going down, it'll either be within the next 48 hours in an effort to stop the bleeding ASAP or several weeks from now when B*sh has demonstrable proof that Rummy is dragging his election odds down.

I would actually prefer the latter.

:)

Very well, keep it on the DL then

:evilgrin:

The spin has already begun with the dis-information poles.

We need to get the word out Rummy must go.....All the Dem leaders are behind Rummy being forced out. It would severely weaken the Bush re-election effort

That means only 20% of the people who actually don't have their heads up their asses support Rumsfeld.

He has to protect the king with no clothes.

and overdose on aspartame?

"Is my ass grass? You bet."

That's intriguing as hell! :D

Rums will never resign. The spin has already been planned and will only get worse.

DR: wt, what the fuck am I gonna do? I'm nailed to the wall. What are the troops gonna think?

WT: Rummy, the troops already hate you. Step down, move to Boca, join a Gin Rummy club, and be fuckin' glad your ass isn't in prison.

Bush could blame the whole Iraq mess and the fighting and soldiers deaths on Rummy, and many people to go will along with Bush, that there will be "immediate changes" and it was Rummy's fault not Bush's.

These fucks (Rove) eat their own!

I believe it would damage the Bushco re-election attempts irrevocably. they would be thrown into a state of disarray as they scramble to replace him. Other members of his administration would definitely sit up and take notice too

Rove is the lightning Rod that directs heat away from Bush. If he leaves...

"Rove is the lightning Rod that directs heat away from Bush."
That's true...

However, with a "new" Sec. of Defense...they can then point the finger at Rumsfeld and his lies, distortions and fuck ups (the same ineviable problems will occur in the future, of course).

Not unlike "It's Clinton's fault" that so many millions buy and still give the benefit of the doubt to Bush on. (Not around DU, of course)...

In so much as with a new Sec. Defense, (which would take about all of ten seconds to nominate someone else for the position). It then would become...

"It's not 'Fred's' or Bush's fault...This fuck up goes back to Rummy and we can direct isolate these problems to Rummy's tenure...And we making great strides, doing our best to fix the problems and change direction, but these changes take time." And all the media hobos will nod their heads and say "yep, they do, un huh, yep, hic hic"!

He will voluntarily step down. Bush will praise him as a patriot and a great Sec of Defense...

As I stated above, it will indeed help Bush.

I was originally replying and agreeing with your thread message, I posted, if Rummy steps down if will take some big heat off of Bush.

On the other hand, Rummy stepping down, would insinuate that the invasion and war was/is a big fuck up, for Bush as well

He will walk the gauntlet. I did not mean to sound disagreeable. :)

with what Joe Wilson hinted at.

Interesting.

Kanary

in our dreams.

For strictly partisan purposes, it would be in the Democrats interest to have that lead weight around the neck of the Bush administration. And the policy won't change..and we could get Wolfowitz.

It obviously would be a big boost for them

is not excusable from any standpoint. It's his responsibility. As, imho, it is Busboy's.

and I think it will happen very very soon.

The fact that they know these pics and videos, evidently some worse than what we've already seen, are going to keep coming out will make it impossible for him to stay.

Sayeth the Bushman yesterday.

So, is he going to turn around today and let Rumsferatu resign?

I think not.

must be hideous, Rumsfeld keeps bringing it up. They must be floating out there somewhere. I'm guessing a snuff video, and since Rummy is a gutless coward, he will avoid all responsibility by resigning (or he will think he will).

the nation. I like that one better...or equally as much.

and laugh about how the congresscritters steamed up a bit in front of cameras and no real damage done for 2004 chances.

They rummy'll show Smirky some "really good" uncensored torture pics and they'll yuck it up some more.