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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:25 PM
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Looking for a link about when Bush knew about the pictures
Can someone help? I recall someone talking about it on a cable news channel, but I don't have a link.

Bush claims that he saw the pics for the first time on 60 minutes.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:32 PM
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1. bump (nt)
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:36 PM
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2. ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS KNEW OF ABU GHRAIB REPORT
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THE DAILY MIS-LEAD
< http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1333383&l=33095 >
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ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS KNEW OF ABU GHRAIB REPORT

Since late February, the Pentagon has been in possession of a report
produced by Major General Antonio M. Taguba that details the abuse of Iraqis
incarcerated in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison. <1> Months later, despite
knowing of the 53-page report's existence, top administration officials
responsible for the military still have not read the document.

White House officials told the Los Angeles Times that "the abuse of Iraqi
prisoners sparked so much concern that President Bush was told about an
investigation during the winter holidays." <2> But White House Press
Secretary Scott McClellan tried to insulate the President from criticism by
suggesting that the President was surprised by the report's findings.
McClellan told reporters yesterday that Bush "only become aware of the
photographs and the Pentagon's main internal report about the incidents from
news reports last week." <3> Yet President Bush still has not read the
report.

Three weeks before the press reported the story of the Abu Ghraib report,
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard B. Myers knew enough about it
to call Dan Rather and ask him to delay airing the story. <4> Yet, as of
this Tuesday, Myers still hadn't read the report. Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld said yesterday that he had merely "seen a summary."

SOURCES:
1. "Article 15-6 Investigation of the 800th Military Police Brigade by Maj.
Gen. Antonio M. Taguba", http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1333383&l=33096 .
2. "Accountability at Issue in Abuse of Prisoners", LA Times, 5/5/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1333383&l=33097 .
3. "White House and Pentagon Scurry to Draft Responses", New York Times,
5/5/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1333383&l=33098 .
4. "CBS delayed airing abuse story for two weeks", AP, 5/3/04,
http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1333383&l=33099 .

Visit Misleader.org for more about Bush Administration distortion. -->
< http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1333383&l=33100 >
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:37 PM
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3. Thank you! (nt)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:43 PM
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4. Now, how about a link to Bush's statement that he found out...
... when the rest of us did, while watching 60 Minutes II on April 28, 2004???
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:50 PM
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5. I'll check the White House website
I seem to recall him saying it in an official speech.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:01 PM
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6. This is close, but not quite.
In this link, he says:

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, the first time I saw or heard about pictures was on TV. However, as you might remember, in early January, General Kimmitt talked about a investigation that would be taking place about accused -- alleged improprieties in the prison. So our government has been in the process of investigating.



http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/05/20040505-5.html


In this link, McClellan says that Bush has known for awhile.

We cannot tolerate it, and the military is taking strong action against those responsible," McClellan said.

He said the president had known about the images for a while but declined to offer further details.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/30/iraq.photos/index.html

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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:02 PM
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7. I can't find a transcript from the May 1st Rose Garden visit with
Paul Martin. I think that is the speech I'm looking for.
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FubarFly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:16 PM
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8. Here's a excellent chronology from Slate
--snip--

"Two weeks ago, 60 Minutes II received an appeal from the Defense Department, and eventually from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Richard Myers, to delay this broadcast—given the danger and tension on the ground in Iraq."—CBS News statement on its broadcast of photographs of Iraqi prisoner abuse, April 29, 2004, referring to a DOD appeal received on or near April 15, 2004

"Our military is … performing brilliantly. See, the transition from torture chambers and rape rooms and mass graves and fear of authority is a tough transition. And they're doing the good work of keeping this country stabilized as a political process unfolds."—Bush, remarks on "Tax Relief and the Economy," Iowa, April 15, 2004

--snip--

"We acted, and there are no longer mass graves and torture rooms and rape rooms in Iraq."—Bush, remarks at Victory 2004 Reception, Florida, April 23, 2004

"The pictures show Americans, men and women, in military uniforms, posing with naked Iraqi prisoners. There are shots of the prisoners stacked in a pyramid, one with a slur written on his skin in English. In some, the male prisoners are positioned to simulate sex with each other. And in most of the pictures, the Americans are laughing, posing, pointing, or giving the camera a thumbs-up."—Dan Rather, 60 Minutes II, April 28, 2004

"A year ago, I did give the speech from the carrier, saying that we had achieved an important objective, that we'd accomplished a mission, which was the removal of Saddam Hussein. And as a result, there are no longer torture chambers or rape rooms or mass graves in Iraq."—Bush, remarks in the Rose Garden, April 30, 2004


--snip--


"Because we acted, torture rooms are closed, rape rooms no longer exist, mass graves are no longer a possibility in Iraq."—Bush, remarks at "Ask President Bush" event, Michigan, May 3, 2004


:grr:


http://slate.msn.com/id/2100014/







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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:25 PM
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9. General Peter Pace, Vice Chairman- Joint Chiefs of Staff


General Peter Pace, Vice Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Wednesday, May 5, 2004 7:10 a.m.

<snip>

The major general completed the investigation. And what happens with the paperwork itself is that each commander in the chain looks at the work, reads it in detail, does his analysis of what he or she should be doing with it, makes their decisions, and then sends it up the chain. So the fact that the paperwork did not get to Washington DC did not mean that the information did not. In fact, it did.

STORM: So you’re saying that General Richard Myers was well aware of the situation and that the president was well aware of the situation as well?

PACE:

Yes.



<snip>

STORM: If General Myers was aware of what was going on and the president was aware of what was going on, there’s outrage right now on Capitol Hill that none of the members of Congress knew what was happening. Why wasn’t it made aware to Congress? Why did the American public have to see it in news reports and members of Congress have to see this in news reports before understanding what was happening?


PACE: Well, as I recall, it was around the 16th of January that General Kimmitt made his first public announcement at a press conference. And then when charges were preferred on the 20th of March, General Kimmitt made another general announcement of what was going on.



We did have phone calls inside the chain of command, as I said, about the status of the investigations and some of the details of what was being found out. But we also need to make sure that we do the justice part of this in a very precise, measured way so that, in the process of trying to get to facts quickly, that we don’t at the same time turn our justice system on its head.

<snip>

http://www.dod.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040505-1427.html
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