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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:39 PM
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All gay male DUers
The new line seems to be that the pictures were are seeing are like what you would see on a gay male porn site. So I ask this. Have you ever, even one time, seen a group picture of naked men in a pile with a woman looking on? I have seen a good deal of gay porn in my day. Never seen it one.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:41 PM
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1. Not a gay male but...
as someone who's watched plenty of gay porn I can say that I've never seen anything quite like this.

Not to mention all the gay porn I've ever seen everybody involved CONSENTED.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:43 PM
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2. true
but this wasn't totally relevent to the right wings point, that merely seeing the pictures put the ideas in the guard's heads.
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:45 PM
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5. That is like comparing rape to sex
Rape is not about being turned on it is about getting power.

Humiliating me in by forcing them to perform sexual acts has nothing to do with the SEX--it is about dehumanizing these people by forcing them to break their moral and religous ethics in order to survive.

I am truely disgusted that the one time the military wants to talk about homosexuals, it is to blame us for the acts.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:26 PM
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22. These acts basically *are* rape
when you think about it: forced non-consenual acts of a sexual nature. To compare it to gay porn is insulting to gay men.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:49 PM
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23. They are a violation of personal sexual privacy, it seems to me. No
matter whether it looked like gay porn or sado-masochistic porn, or whatever...it's inhuman what they did. I also resent that folks keep talking about how the Muslim world finds this more shameful than the rest of the world. To do this to any fellow human being would be a total violation no matter their religious persuasion or if they didn't have any religion. It's a crime against all humanity, imho.
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:43 PM
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3. Um...lemme think.......ummm...
NO! I've also never seen one with a hooded, wired gay man who was terrified of falling over and getting electrocuted.

But maybe I'm just vanilla.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:45 PM
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4. well you see what happens is...
(I'm only partially gay, can I still post?)

straight men find the idea of a pile of women writing on the ground with a man, fully clothed, watching, to be a good idea (whatever, little porn entertains me, and I get much more 'turned on' talking to someone that I do watching anonymous sex between strangers) so obviously, gay porn must consists to piles of men with women watching, right?

I bet no one who is commenting on this 'current line' has ever seen gay porn, so they assume that it's like straight porn, but reversed. see? you guys are just the complete opposite of us 'normals' (I guess, it would be conisdered 'normal' to get turned on by the scenario I described)

did you hear this on Fox, by the way?
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:45 PM
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6. good lord NO!

I'm sure there are more extreme sites involving SMBD, BUT...

those scenes are CONSENSUAL. fake. play-acting.

these pics are not Porn (even though there was one sicko here that posted he was turned on by them... and he was quickly 86'd)
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:11 PM
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18. I doubt there was even a safe word
Sick Sick Sick Sick sick sick utterly SICK!

Even the BDSMers have rules.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:47 PM
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7. As a straight guy, I'm hardly an expert on gay porn, so I would ask....
...How is it that the Freepers have such extensive knowledge of the subject?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 02:48 PM
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8. Even if it were true..THOSE PEOPLE HAD A FUCKING CHOICE
Edited on Fri May-07-04 02:49 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
Goddammit..this is why RAPE IS A FUCKING CRISIS im America...I am getting more appalled by the moment with this fucking idiotic rationale that CANNOT and WILL NOT distinguish that even if it DOES exist in porn, the CRITICAL ELEMENT MISSING is choice. If a person would CHOOSE to participate in S AND M..or the like, they also have SAFE WORDS to make it stop...it is NOT the same when someone is standing over you with a weapon.

Every single motherfucking asshole justifying this horseshit needs to submit themselves to live under those circumstances for a DAY and then report on whether it was torture...that includes the fucking assholes on this site that would minimize this event.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:01 PM
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9. In fairness their point is more subtle than you are giving credit for
They aren't saying the acts are equivalent. They are saying that the soldiers involved never would have thought of this but for access to porn. Those are, to be fair, different things.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:04 PM
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11. But why would boys in our military...
be looking at gay porn?

Oh, I forgot...blame CLinton. Don't ask, don't tell, don'tcha know. :eyes:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:12 PM
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20. good point
One would wonder why they were looking at gay porn. This just seemed so out of left field.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:11 PM
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25. How is it all these Republican apologists are so familiar with gay porn?
verrrrrry interesting.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:12 PM
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26. again
if this stuff really is common they are evidently much more familiar with it than I am. That is really saying something.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:03 PM
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10. Well the latest one with the collar and leash...
might be in a str8 BD site, but not gay.
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tkulesa Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:04 PM
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12. Nothing
I haven't seen anything in gay porn that looks like any of this.

And I have to say that it's disgusting for people to say that this is acceptable because it's just like gay porn when these are the same people who condemn gay people.

It's okay to force people to do gay stuff (as these RW cheerleaders seem to perceive it) but it's wrong to let gay people have consentual realtionships?

:wtf:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:07 PM
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13. Not in any ....
of the porn I've been in ...... I mean SEEN!
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:08 PM
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15. I thought you looked familiar
Take off your hood and let me see if I'm right *wink*
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:08 PM
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14. I've seen enough gay porn to qualify (in my mind anyway) as an expert
Edited on Fri May-07-04 03:13 PM by Rowdyboy
I've never seen anything approaching this. Certainly struck me more as "piling" on in football, only the players were all naked. Its just some warped straight boys fantasies of what gay sex is all about.

And a woman? Only if she was a transvestite/transgendered (though you never know about Lyndee)
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:10 PM
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17. I have to admit
that I am probably close to the position of expert as well and I had never seen such a thing but figured I might be out of touch.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:09 PM
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16. I am troubled by the homophobic undertones in all this n/t
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:14 PM
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21. So am I
It gets tiring to be the focus of blame all the time for any and every degenerate activity people can come up with.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:12 PM
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19. well I've seen so much porn
that bad music turns me on now, but no, I've never seen something like this.
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greekspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:09 PM
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24. Gay porn is consentual...this torture is TORTURE
How dare these creeps double spin this story. Catch 22: ach, the torture is not so bad...see? Just like the stuff at the video store.

OR...

This perversion is just like the filthy perversions in gay porn. It is gay people we should be going after, not St. Donald of the Pentagon.



:mad:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:15 PM
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27. Ummm, nope.
And I've seen a LOT of gay porn, too. :shrug:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:21 PM
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28. It doesn't resemble any porn that I've ever seen
And according to Rhode's reading of the Teguma (sp?) Report, there are genuine acts of rape recorded in the additional photos and videos.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:28 PM
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29. Not yet...
...usually theres not women in gay male porn....and its more or less consensual...

...tho the pix w. Lynndie and the dogleash did bring to mind Depeche Modes "Master and Servant" video....
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