Do any of you doubt that GITMO has the same problem, only worse?

We "fortunately" (for justice sake) have pictures that proove all of the worst of the horrible allegations regarding Iraq.

Do any of you think that the same thing is not occuring RIGHT THIS MINUTE in our super secret GITMO concentration camp?

...Except maybe the deluded, and screwheads and the doomed here in the US.

because it's fun and they like it. This job requires but a few good men who are endowed with an unbelievable streak of cruelty, inhumanity, and sadism, so only a few are fit to perform such tasks.

It may not be the popular thing to say, but I think the troops at GITMO are better trained, and less likely to be doing what the half-trained Reservists in Iraq were doing.

Edit: fixed spelling

Denial is the first step to recovery, tho.

You are making progress.

that would be :sarcasm: for anybody who may have missed it.

I never said that GITMO was a great place, or that our troops love it there. I also understand that internment there without access to a lawyer to fundamentally anti-American.
I just know that the MPs who were sent to GITMO received more, and better, training than the ones who were rushed to Iraq. I also believe the actions of the soldiers are reflective of the actions of their leaders. Being in the military myself, I know that a vast majority of commanders do not tolerate the behavior demonstrated by the 800th MP brigade. I'm not prepared to condemn the whole US military for the actions of some.

running GITMO.

We can only base any assumptions we many have on what the record is, and that record stinks to high heaven.

To be fair, one has to assume the worse for GITMO until proven otherwise.

It's the only fair standard to use.

Not once, for any accusations against this bunch of thugs, has the accusation ever been proven false. Quite the contrary.

The record speaks loudly. And it stinks.

I think the Iraqi abuse scandal means that an independent investigation into all military (and CIA, civilian contractor) detentions needs to launched to ensure that human rights are being upheld.
But I still believe in innocent until proved guilty (that is the only fair, and legal, standard to use), and will not assume that the servicemen and women in GITMO are torturing prisoners.
I strongly disagree with the characterization that the military is "a bunch of thugs."

the debacle in Iraq.

The unfortunate grunts had better speak our and publicise any and all future and existing abuses, or they will get NO respect from me.

To cover up the crimes of others is almost as bad as the crimes themselves.

You've already made an assumption of guilt about the all the people running GITMO, and Iraq. I'm not going to make that assumption until the results of an investigation are made clear.

And the soldiers on the ground are, in fact, required to alert higher (or jump the chain of command if higher is involved itself) if international law is being violated. But the soldiers on the ground cannot be leaking everything to the press, without going through proper channels first, or the whole command and control structure of the military starts breaking down. However, those who are aware and aren't saying anything should be (and are legally required to be) held accountable.

In the RedCross reports.

Sen Kennedy was laying the ground work to take down the whole bunch on this one. Rummy was forced to agree to release the RedCross reports. This is going to be very bad for the whole Bushco political machine.

that Miller (the general who was in charge of Gitmo) is in charge of Iraqi prisons, he will make sure that in Iraq we will have No pictures, no reports, no visitors, no red cross...
And I seem to remember that he TRAINED the people in Iraq last year before this crap came out.

of concentration camps....

Torture is perfectly leagal there.No fake outrage or apologies are expected from israeli leaders

of the Gitmo detainee? Much of what he said involved bizarre sexual humiliation. It was received here by many with hoots of denial.

And the outrage that greeted the very suggestion that such things could possibly happen in a Murikan concentration camp.

Joseph Yee? I think they did it to silence him and ruin his credibility if he blew the whistle on them. There's a lot that isn't being told about this incident.

either that of Congress should do their fucking job and get to the bottom of it.

It stinks to high heaven.

being caught, and the damage to "our reputation in the world" or that the eniter world now has proof positive of how evil and totally corrupt this gang of criminals occupying our government in the name of the "republican party" and "bush" is.

Not a word or feeling or concern about the war crimes that were committed by us on others.

Not a single one.

Parsing words, again.

"Unfortunate" - not OUTRAGE.

"Mistakes" - not "TORTURE".

or which is the lesser of evil - "abuse" or "torture"?!?!?!?!

Again, it's all about "me" with bunkerboy and the repukes.

And wanna bet they get away with it all AGAIN!

There is sooooo much out there, for almost every single day of this horror story of the bush* misadministration, and he still leads or is close in the polls?!?!?!?!

and they failed.

That damn internet!

I think they're just as bad down there, nobody knows what's going there, it's all a secret.
Not only in Cuba and Iraq, but in the private prisons in this country as well, does anyone recall the story of a couple of years ago the mistreatment of prisoners in a private jail?

medical mistreatment of prisoners in American prisoners, perpetrated by a huge company that has the contract for this.

Journalists who have tried to expose it have been sued, fired, their lives ruined.

Everybody's afraid to touch it. It was a really harrowing story.

Disgusting how corporations run things in this country now.