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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:08 PM
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What's Holding Back The World Court?
I've asked this before...now it's even clearer major crimes were committed on the Iraqi people in violation of the Geneva Convention and other international protocols.

Does anyone know how the World Court process works and what it takes to get them to investigate what's going on here. Enough is enough!
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:09 PM
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1. the us
is immune from war crimes prosecution
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:15 PM
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3. Immune By Whose Standards?
I know the BFEE has it's tentacles in all sorts of places, but no nation can be immune from being allowed to destroy another country without some form of redress.

I need a drink!
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:28 PM
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11. By the standards,
they didn't sign the treaty, and they've got the most guns. sorry, nothing can be done until after the election.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:13 PM
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2. the US Senate has never ratified the treaty...
the US is not a part of the agreement at this point..maybe in the future..
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1jfuddle Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:16 PM
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5. Hey look
Again, we sit on our own little pedistal we made for ourselvs and look down saying HEY we are better than the world.
I hope this fiasco can call out to the world that we are no better than anyone else and that even the US should be held accountable for war crimes that we HAVE commited.
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stopthegop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:18 PM
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7. it's essentially a treaty like any other...
we're not currently a party to it ...if other nations tried to force the US into it, it wouldn't work...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:16 PM
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4. The US is a rogue elephant state.
International law is for suckas.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:18 PM
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6. And it all goes back to
our illegal invasion of Iraq. Somehow the Repubs twist it around to make it seem as if Iraq invaded the US. Yes, indeed, where is the World Court?
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KayLaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:20 PM
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8. Repubs...
and Joe Lieberman with his outrageous apology remark.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:31 PM
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13. I hope CT puts Joe out to pasture next election.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:20 PM
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9. Because it is...
"irrelevant?'
Wasn't that the term used to describe the UN?
BHN
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:20 PM
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10. which court do you mean?
Edited on Fri May-07-04 03:21 PM by goodhue
The International Court of Justice (ICJ) or the International Criminal Court (ICC)?
The ICJ is part of the UN.
The US refuses to join the ICC.
In any event, the likely forum here is military court.

The CACI employees will need to be prosecuted in some court back here in the US, some as yet unestablished court in Iraq (or perhaps if they stop in Spain the courts there will do what others will not).
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:30 PM
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12. I'll Take Any Of Them
I would imagine if the U.S. is a signatory to the U.N. Charter that it must abide by the rules of the ICJ. Also, there's non-stop citing of the Geneva Conventions, obviously the brass are concerned about those...and is that an ICC or ICJ jurisdiction?

Also, who does the IRC report to? Don't they have some ability to condemn or invoke some investigative action?

I'm not familiar with International law, thus my questions.

I would also figure that the Contractors, as private citizens, could be hauled in front of civil courts. I smell class action on that front. Both with Iraqis and those who will get steam-rolled in the upcoming court martials.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:36 PM
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14. Totally Laughable..*and Co must be having a good laugh over this tease!
Ck the dates:

The United States and the International Criminal Court
a briefing:

On May 6 02'the United States government delivered a letter to the Secretary-General of the United Nations giving formal notice that the US has no intention of becoming a party to the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. The letter also requested that the US declaration be reflected in the Rome treaty’s official status list – effectively canceling out the US signature to the treaty that was entered by the Clinton administration on December 31, 2001. This measure – popularly referred to as "unsigning" – sets the United States in outright opposition to the court, which will come into existence on July 1 of this year.

The move confirmed that the Bush administration will not submit the Rome treaty establishing the court to the Senate for ratification, and that it will refuse to cooperate with the court once it is up and running. The administration also announced that it would attempt to negotiate bilateral agreements with as many other countries as possible to prevent them from surrendering US agents to the court.

In this document, we attempt to answer some of the questions raised by the administration’s action, and examine the substance of the charges that government officials have leveled at the court.

What does ‘unsigning’ mean?










http://www.crimesofwar.org/onnews/news-us-icc.html
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:38 PM
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15. A $475B Defense Budget.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:41 PM
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16. Yes, how did that get through the Senate?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:44 PM
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17. My best guess as to the cause:
"Look, your shoe is untied!"
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 11:20 PM
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21. speeeew... patuey!!! :)
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:47 PM
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18. those with the biggest and the best equipped military do not have to
subscribe to things such as the world court.

I saw a bumper sticker today--DON'T MESS WITH THE US

that says it all. We seem to have a lot of ignorant people here who think that bullying the rest of the world is the key to their own survival.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 03:49 PM
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19. How to PROTEST US torture chambers paid for with YOUR tax dollars:
NOW is the chance for someone to show their is decency left in the world. Type your message below to the French embassy, or call the German embassy--

>>>Tell them to cut off relations with the US Bush Administration, to protest the Iraq tortures!

French embassy:

http://www.info-france-usa.org/comment.asp

German Embassy
4645 Reservoir Road NW
Washington, DC, 20007-1998
(202) 298-4000


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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 04:15 PM
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20. The International Criminal Court only acts when the country
of the accused is unable, or unwilling, to charge them. So the US soldiers would be unlikely to go there anyway, with the process started under the military code. The civilian contractors are another matter - while it's unlikely there would be any attempt to take them from the US or Iraq (NATO has sent in snatch squads in Yugoslavia to get people), I suspect those civilians will be staying out of any countries that haven't agreed to exempt US citizens from the ICC (eg they'll have to avoid EU countries).
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