I think DU's Rapid Creek may be on to something. Was Bush blackmailed?

RapidCreek (1000+ posts) Fri May-07-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #18

27. The photos and videos have been burned to CD


on computers...which would indicate they have found their way to the internet or very easily could.

Here is a scenario....perhaps someone in the military has anonymously indicated that he or she has these products on a server....with their finger on the button ready to disseminate globally. Maybe plying some sort of blackmail...you do what I say or I release everything instantly. Perhaps he or she has indicated that the administration and congress must address the situation and convict those above enlisted ranks. Maybe the photos we have seen as yet were the teaser....just to let our great leaders know that the jig is up....and they're serious, have what they say they have and are fully capable of dumping more into the public domain.

I find it somewhat odd that no mention has been made as to where exactly these photos came from...who exactly made them available and where they got them. At least I haven't heard anything.

Suffice it to say, if I had the compendium of all the photos and the vids...you can bet your sweet ass I would use them to force the admins hand...in a big damn way. It would be a VERY simple process.

After todays "hearing" I'd send a quick email and say...sorry...not good enough...and drop a few more into the public domain. I'd continue this course of action until the whole fucking crew quit being evasive...and took credit for their massive fuck ups.

I suspect this is why Heir Rumsfeld dropped the rather cryptic bomb that many more photos exist and many more shall be seen. He and the CIA may be racing the clock trying to find the leaker before they are forced to come clean. After all...why would more be released? If they exists solely in the perview of the US military, one could assume that they would prevent further releases of worse material. Evidently the government is not the source of what has been released...and if the government knew the source you can bet it would be shut down with prejudice.

Just my suspicions...

RC

nobody on the panel being interviewed today had seen these pictures, facking Rummy hadn't seen them until YESTERDAY. Or so all of them say.

CIA payback for Plame?

You'd think that whoever was doing the torturing would want to keep it a secret. But instead the proof is everywhere. I don't think CIA has a short memory and since no one has been named in the Plame game.... maybe they got tired of waiting

I would not be surprised that some of these photos and movies were made for that purpose??

I know a number of leading pornographers and they are not interested in work that comes without properly signed model releases, proof of age, and all that other boring paperwork. Pornography is corporate.

or at least, one was . . .

the damage has already been done, so there will be no payoff. Whatever the supposed blackmailer wanted is out the door now

The cons might have gotten conned. As the say, you can't cheat an honest man.

Don

payback.

Sometimes I think they keep pulling more and more outrageous shit. They know there will be no critical investigations as long as they own the congress and the courts. Why do you think Mel from Missouri died... to insure Ashcroft's win. Oops, it did not happen. They were more careful and ready with Wellstone. So they get control in 2002. That's when the literal shit started hitting he fan. When IRAQ was invaded. Etc.

It's like telling a lie long enough until it becomes the truth. Or the Stockholm syndrome experienced by hostages, except its the whole country. Keep piling the shit long enough (Iraq, 9/11, etc) and putting out little feelers (Ashcroft wanting abortion records, Tommy Franks-Constitution thrown out with another attack, etc) and people will be desensitized to even more outrageous stuff.

The 6 year savaging of Clinton did a wonderful job of helping Bush get it. Of many simply wanting a change form the media hype, even though they liked Clinton with 70%+ approvals.

Wait until 2004 when elections are either a) rigged so bad that Bush will win even with 30% approval, or b) attack and suspend the constitution. How far off will civil war or WW III be? Or will Americans stick their collective heads up their asses once again?

who supposedly put a CD of pictures from other soldiers in Rumsfeld's hands.

I get the impression the reason they can't shut down the source has nothing to do with blackmail and everything to do with the number of soldiers who were upset about being pressured into this activity while higher-ups maintained deniability. The reservist who sent journals home to family for several months, documenting what he was and wasn't told to do to the prisoners, might fall in this category...

There is no use shutting down one blackmailer or whistleblower if ten more are going to pop up...

Blackmail is not always done for money. Blackmail is done in some instances to cover ones ass. If I were one of the low level expendables who the Pentagon had been "investigating" for the past 5 months you can bet your bottom dollar I wouldn't be going down for the count while the shits who ordered me to do what I did sipped cocktails at the 19 hole. Nosiree. The pictures and videos would be my bolt cutter to the Pentagons chain of command.

Think about it....would the "contractors" doing and overseeing interrogations have ever been an issue had these pictures not been brought to light? Would the "chain of command" even have been addressed? Hell no.

The fact is...is that in the military people just don't do what ever they want to do.....not a low levels. They are ordered to do what they do. Now if those "investigating" you are also the ones who ordered you to do what you're being investigated and prosecuted for...how likely is it that they'll point the finger at themselves? Not terribly. How likely is it the light will turn from your own ass and fall on theirs if those at the highest levels are embarrassed? Highly likely. How likely is it that they will get their asses burned if those at the highest levels are consistently being embarrassed? It's a certainty.

The "Blackmailer" is quite probably NOT one person....but several people in the predicament you described. they of course will save the worst for last...because if they blow their wad to quickly they shall lose thier leverage. That is why I imagine we are seeing fairly docile depictions of torture thus far....and have been "warned" that more are in the pipe. You will recall that Rummy kept refering to the source as "way down deep in investigative/prosecutorial files" rather a cryptic odd way of describing where they came from. Particularily considering the fact that they have been published in every newspaper and aired on every television network in the world....in spite of the Joint Chiefs of staffs attempt to quash their release.

RC

1. just before getting online I was watching CNN at the airport. They keep talking about more photos that are going to come out and an
video or videos.

It begs to question - who has them and why are they staggering the release? If the feds had them they would NOT lt them out at all.

2. The idea that this was a way for the soldiers to end the war and get the hell out of there also crossed my mind a few days ago. I'm sure not many of them would opt to be there if they could avoid it.

I did not consider the idea that this could be blackmail. hmmm...

A. The main contact would only need to be made with the media to release the photos. They might be loyal to the source, because its a gravy train to them. However with all the inside administrations at the media, they could perhaps track down the source and dispose of them.

B. The person could have sent them home? but it would be harder to conceal maybe even in the states where phones could be tapped in the interest of National security.

C. One thig is for certain. A Stark about face was pulled on the part of the media on Friday May 1, the anniversary of "Mission Acomplished". All channels ran 5 distincy bad stoprys for Bush. (Fox ran them but used them to provide fodder for the Loyalists to ignore the stories). It seemes like the decision was dropped that Bush is out.

i. It's interesting because - who is behind this?
ii. The deed has already been done so there really is no need for Bush anymore. The oil is out of Saddam's hands. The Billions are spent.
iii. Don't out it past poppy to sacrifice his sons credibility for money and power - Look at Neil Bush and the S&L scandal. Bushes have taken a dive before, as longt as they have someone else to be held aqccountable for them. But be sure the real criminals behind this war - the people who profited the most are not seen and will not be known or held accountable. This could be a convenient exit strategy. It seems out of character for the media to do anything damaging to their corporate masters.

:thumbsup:

Apparently, a few people don't like the way I think. A couple days ago I was accused of being a Freeper, because I wasn't a "Good" liberal - all I did was support the right of another member to ask questions that were misconstrued by other readers. I guess if you challenge the groupthink even slightly, you are accused of being the enemy.

Say anything remotely critical of Kerry and you're ostracized by many (not all though). I chalk it up to fear: Fear that TURD HEAD * and the gang will manage to steal another election.

but going with the story i think it would all be horrible. this is not what it is about. those picture are about putting out truth. correcting a wrong. not playing a political game. and anyone who plays this politically is just as bad as the other side. we dont need to drip drip drip the photos to play on people emotions, that is repug and the yuk and unrespectable part of them. i would refuse to participate in such a game

i want them out as a whole, then go from there. start the mop up and clean up and healing.

i dont want this for a political tool. then people will really be able to say both parties are the same. and this is the message i have been fighting and opposing the last couple years

What makes you so sure that the person or persons that might be using these photos in the fashion I've described aren't screaming right wing Rethuglicans? Quite a few folks in the military are, in my experience...and that sort of mindset ain't above playing both sides to the middle.

RC

the Pentagon (and high up too!), I don't think it's a drip-by-drip kind of release by Rummy's Pentagon enemies. The press has all the photos and videos now, it's simply a question of when they will release them.

I'm sure Myers is begging for time every day - and I'm also sure copies are spreading around the media like wildfire.

As for "who shot these photos and why" - see this thread in LBN:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=539180#539421

The military was using garden variety psychopaths to "loosen up" the prisoners - and they gave them a free hand. They may as well have hired Charlie Manson.

I hope the "porn site" they are hinting at has something to do with Larry Flynt! Flynt is an amazing person and he hates these GOPer's guts! He would be smart enough to have stashed several copies too! "Tune In Again Tomorrow!"

hadn't thought of that. Wasn't DoJ focusing on internet porn or something just a week or two ago?

i suspect even the 'GOLDEN EIB MIC' (RUSH) may be a 'TARGET' as well...

if this is all part of the war i'd say the neoCONs must REALLY be getting NERVOUS.

peace

Good question. Who is dropping these bombs to the media?

It sure as hell ain't the administration. They would hide them for "national security" reasons.

Wonder if someone in the CIA is using this stink bomb on Bushco for outing Plame and the other atrocities the Smirkies have committed.

once to the Arab reporters and once to the King of Jordan. it was odd even for him. Coincidence?????