"Smooth operation of a detention facility"

OK - I've read most of the Taguba Report, and have sort of made some conclusions....please chime in if you believe I'm in error.

In late 2003, a report by a soldier named MG Ryder (after reviewing conditions at Abu Ghraib) concluded that the "OEF template whereby military police actively set the favorable conditions for subsequent interviews runs counter to the smooth operation of a detention facility."

So by Dec 2003, there was already word that the method employed in GTMO where the higher-ups deemed it “essential that the guard force be actively engaged in setting the conditions for successful exploitation of the internees" - did not work. That it ran "counter to the smooth operation of a detention facility."

This is where things fell apart, I think. Somehow, recommendations by this Ryder fellow were not implemented.

This also scares me - because they're saying that the method used in Abu Ghraib is the same as used in GTMO.

WTF is going on in Guantanamo Bay?

Here's the report: http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/006032.html

I suspect some cloak and dagger crap out of General Miller! A shifty eyed type dude indeed! Part of the GOPer save Bush's Ass click IMO! You can google those officers and find a lot of stuff out about them!

and I'm struck by some of the language used.

Basically, Taguba is reporting that before he started this evaluation,
a MG Miller (Gitmo) had made similar report which indicated that
the prison guards be "actively engaged in setting the conditions for
successful exploitation of the internees" and that military
intelligence supervise all aspects of Abu Ghraib.

But then Taguba goes on to say that this is in conflict with an
earlier study done by MG Ryder and AR 190-8 (I'm guessing that this
is the regs manual) and that the internees at Abu Ghraib are not the
same type of people at Gitmo. "These are not believed to be
international terrorists or members of Al Qaida, etc", and that
Ryder and Taguba don't agree with MG Miller's assessment.

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So now I'm wondering if MG Miller came along, with his SS
interrogation squad, and made a reservist 1 star General (the woman)
feel like it would be so much better if Abu Ghraib was run like
Gitmo and the prison guards (reservists, untrained in interrogation)
would be better off if they let the SS interrogators run the show.
And, of course, as we will all learn, THOSE guys think that abuse,
torture, and humiliation are all perfectly OK when dealing with
terrorist scum and told the reservists this is how you deal with
"ragheads". And so they "followed orders" (well, really suggestions).
And, oh yeah, Miller was running Gitmo where the Geneva conventions
were NOT applied at the direction of Donald Rumsfeld, whereas Abu
Ghraib was to be under Geneva convention rules... but I bet MG Miller
didn't make that distinction (this is all the war on terror, isn't
it?). So his group of MI (Gestapo) used the same techniques at
Abu Ghraib as they did in Gitmo (and if we ever hear the full story
of Gitmo, I bet it's a lot worse --- but more professional!).


AND NOW, after the abuse has been outed, we get MG MILLER running
the show in Abu Ghraib!!! And he is the most likely "instigator"
of the abuse and torture.


P.S. AND THIS IS WHY THIS REPORT WAS LEAKED... probably by Taguba
himself, with the pictures... to STOP neoNAZI MILLER. DUH.

Sounds like a good little bootlicking cog in the SS chain of commands gone by! Hitler's Brain Is Still Alive And Kicking!

Edit} SWIG HEIL!

worse may well be going on at Guantanamo Bay. I read the version of the report on MSNBC which may be abridged compared to the one on the smoking gun.

"MG Ryder" = Major General = 3 Star General, someone very high up indeed.

My impression of this guy Miller is that he is probably a Nazi type. I wonder if thumbscrews or fingernail slivers or "breaking with the wheel" "Set Favorable Conditions" for interrogation?