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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:07 AM
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Two weeks. How many people were tortured while CBS sat on the story?
Two weeks.

How many Iraqi prisoners in US custody continued to suffer torture and humiliation while CBS withheld the story at the request of the Pentagon?

Two weeks.

Enough time to concoct alibis for the top echelon.
Enough time to either destroy or 'cook' the official prison records at all of the US controlled Iraqi prisons.

Two weeks.

Enough time, according to CBS, for Rumsfeld et al to read the Taguba report... which Rumsfeld admitted yesterday that he hadn't read yet... only the summary.

Shouldn't CBS be held accountable for the decision to abet the Bush* administration in its dastardly cover up of war crimes?

Just asking.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:18 AM
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1. I remember when CBS broke the story on 60 Minutes II...
...people here at DU were saying "finally the network that had been bullied by the wingers has stood up to them" (or words to that effect)...now it seems they are even more cowardly than we thought they were. As to your point on how many prisoners continued to suffer for the ensuing two weeks, I am not entirely sure the suffering has ended! I imagine the new rule is to keep on with the interrogations, just don't get caught.
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:22 AM
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3. "Don't get caught on camera," is the word.
Oh, those evil digital cameras, they did it all. I couldn't stomach yesterday's hearings. Just so much emphasis on not getting caught and not going beyond the foot soldiers who were involved.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:22 AM
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2. do you think it has stopped now? after the story came out?
I don't.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:36 AM
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10. Exactly.
The only thing they will be doing differently is making sure no cameras are around to capture the images.

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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:52 AM
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4. Two weeks and the ineptitude continued
Doesn't anybody find it strange that Meyers got CBS to give him two more weeks and STILL had no answers, no facts, and (IMO ) could not even concoct a plausible cover story?

This is the most incompetent bunch of jerks I've ever seen.

And they are running the world's most powerful military? :scared:
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:07 AM
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5. I kept screaming that at the television all day yesterday
"Don't give me that bullshit, Rumsfeld! You've had plenty of time to read that damned report! What the hell have you been doing since the last time you told people you hadn't read it? I mean, for crying out loud, it's not like you have to DRIVE yourself anywhere or COOK your own meals or LAUNDER your own fucking clothes. You don't need to do ANYTHING but READ the fucking reports!

"Oh, and don't give me any more of this fucking 'It was moving its way up the chain of command.' Taguba was a fucking GENERAL, for crying out loud. I don't care how many generals there are, there aren't that many LAYERS of them for the report to work its way up through. (sorry for the fractured syntax!) Besides, if MYERS was talking to CBS three weeks ago, IT HAD WORKED ITS WAY PRETTY MUCH THROUGH THE FUCKING CHAIN OF COMMAND!!!!

"And this phoney-ass 'I didn't see the pictures until last night' bullshit!!!!! Why not, Rummy? Plausible deniability??? Got your fingers in your ears and your eyes squeezed shut and practicing your Sgt. Schulz routine, 'I know nu-think, NUTHINK'??????????"

What I don't understand is how STUPID the people on the House and Senate committees were, how stupid their staffs are. C'mon, folks, why didn't you fucking ASK THEM why, if they had time to go to CBS and demand that the release of the pictures be delayed and if they already knew Sy Hersh had seen the Taguba report, WHY DIDN'T THEY FUCKING REACT THEN, LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, AND HAVE A RATIONAL RESPONSE????"

Either the sickening and terrifying answer is that they wanted these pictures to come out, or that they are totally and unbelievably more incompetent than we ever imagined.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, speaking through his creation the cocaine-sniffing, violin-playing Sherlock Holmes, suggested that in solving mysteries, when you have eliminated the impossible, then whatever is left, no matter how implausible, must be the answer.

Heaven help us.

Tansy Gold
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:40 AM
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11. "This is the most incompetent bunch of jerks I've ever seen."
Edited on Sat May-08-04 09:45 AM by 0007
...and that is indeed an understatement and I by no means appears to apply restraint in an artistic expression.

I'm definitely scared to think that these Generals and the Secretary of State is running the country after watching them perform yesterday. They couldn't even answer question with a simple yes or no and looked to others when they were stumped for a reply, as to make sure they were on the same page. Cuz they sure didn't want to get cursed out by Rumsfeld.

I nearly threw up watching Jeff Sessions of Alabama he indeed took the prize for being the most obvious dunce in the world next to junior.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:13 AM
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16. Fallujan and its aftermath was blowing up in their faces when story waited
That's why the agreed to delay by CBS. The war crimes in Fallujah were finally losing the war and they were desperately trying to keep from losing control of the whole country.

So they delayed the news of even more crimes to prevent total loss of the war. And it is working for now.

If fact, the sensationalized distraction of Abu Ghraib is burying the story of Fallujah here at home!

These fuckers know how to use their own weaknesses to cover up other weaknesses!!!! Psy ops shell games....

'Few bad apples', false contrition and humility, and they're back on track on the way to November (s)elections.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:09 AM
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6. Great. Shoot the messenger.
Two weeks? The WH criminals have known about it for months.

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:14 AM
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7. Would CBS have sat on this story for Clinton?
I doubt it.

My point in posting was that CBS might have halted some of the torture and humiliation by reporting these crimes as soon as they had hard evidence.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:47 AM
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12. We have no way of knowing, and that's besides the point
I understood the point of your original post. I disagree with it. Attributing CBS's holding of the story to a decision to aid in a cover-up is an assumption that requires more proof than the fact that it was held, a fact that they disclosed themselves.
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nodictators Donating Member (977 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:10 AM
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15. CBS ran the story only because they found ot that Sy Hersh and...
...the New Yorker had both the pix and the Taguba report.

Furthermore, CBS lied and said there were only "simulated" sex acts.

As their mea culpa, CBS trotted out rabid-Repub Randy Cunningham on Face the Nation (Sunday, May 2) to trash Kerry.

The transcript is on the CBS web site. Sorry, I don't have the link right now.

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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 10:54 AM
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17. Got a link that says CBS lied?
I haven't seen any proof that CBS deliberately lied about the nature of the photos.

By these lights Sy Hersh is just as culpable of cover up. After all, the New Yorker is a weekly magazine - what about that lead time that was lost to sparing the prisoners more torture? And Hersh hasn't even told the whole story - there's more to come.

Again, two weeks versus months and months. Folks wanna blur the issue and take the heat off the really guilty by blaming the media, have a nice lynch party.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:17 AM
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8. To be clear: the abuses occurred last fall
and they were investigated in Jan and Feb. I would hope the army had put an end to the torture by then.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:19 AM
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9. If they had, they wouldn't have sent Gen Miller
they see nothing wrong with torture, they just want to make sure they don't get caught again or at the least, coverup as much as possible. They're just trying to protect the troops afterall.

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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:53 AM
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13. better late than never on the release of the photos.....if they were
never released..no story.. no problem for the thugs in office. I do not fault CBS.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:16 PM
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18. If the events occurred in Oct. or Nov
when was action taken? When were the individuals involved charged with the crimes?

When was Lynndie England sent home from Iraq, relieved of duties?

She's four months pregnant with a child supposedly fathered by Graner. That means the two of them were together as recently as, say, January.

the people who supposedly represent us in the house and senate DO NOT KNOW WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK.

:grr:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:55 AM
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14. Are you saying the prisoners aren't being mistreated now?
Are you saying the prisoners aren't being mistreated now?

I don't believe anything substantial has changed at the prisons since the release of the photos.
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