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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:19 AM
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Are they setting us up to keep the "worst" from the public?
Just wondering. I can't get it out of my head, but over and over again I've been seeing little snippets in the news and from various politicians implying that, "there's worse to come, and if that is released it could be very harmful to the troops."

My thinking is that there are some in the mis-administration, and their enablers in talk radio, congress, and the media that will argue that we can't release the worst of the videos, pictures and reports because it would "aid the terrorist"

Hope I'm wrong, but I expect any minute now that getting the truth in this country will somehow be equated with "aiding the terrorist"
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:25 AM
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1. I think somebody
is being set up. I think these pictures are coming out slow to give these pricks a chance to come clean. And the longer it takes, the bigger the hole they'll dig for themselves. When this is over , there won't be anyplace to hide.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:42 PM
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8. I also think this.
Suck them in a bit, get Rush and Company to poo-poo the photos as frat stunts, and then hit them with the big guns -- the rapes and murders. Explain THAT away, freeptards.
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zanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:26 AM
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2. I have the same suspicion.
Rummy already gave us an excuse for covering up any new information.This administration always has a good excuse for covering up, and it usually has to do with security. Look at how much energy they've put into hiding Cheney's enery commission papers. Can you imagine how deep they'll bury pictures and videos?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:28 AM
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3. It's all part of the mass cover-up of abuses...
...which this administration choose to look the other way on. We can expect this administration to suppress any and all incriminating evidence of their failed policies and criminal activities. The republicans in congress will pander to the administration and getting at the truth will be made nearly impossible. The wheels of suppression are fully underway.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:28 AM
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4. Worse Than Rush?
The Armed Forces Radio Network broadcasts the right-wing programs in their entirety and uncensored for the troops in the Arab world. It's inconceivable that the Iraqi and Saudi people don't listen to the network for news and the US attitude.

Ergo, Rush is feeding their hatred and indirectly helping to sacrifice our troops to benefit his indecent salary.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:30 AM
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5. I've often wondered
What if some right-wing nutcase took Rush's garbage to heart and decided to go out an "Kill a Liberal for Rush" or something? And bragged to people that Limbaugh was the reason he did it? Wonder what Rush would do then?
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 06:04 PM
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9. The absolute worst part
Edited on Sat May-08-04 06:07 PM by maxrandb
and I mean the ABSOLUTE worst is that I am active duty military and to have a doper like Rush on a government funded media source telling me that "liberals" and the thousands of other active duty Democrats are somehow treasonous, or un-patriotic is just simply disgusting.

I've written to me Senators, I've written to my Congressman, I've even written to the Secnav, and still this asshole is allowed to spew his hatred for half of the US population and probably half of the troops.

If I could, I'd love to start a group called Active Duty Democrats.


On edit I am embarrassed because I know that "I've wrote" is just terribly bad English. My apologies to Mr. Ryan
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:42 AM
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6. Yep, this might be KKKarl Rove's plan...
Hoping that with the Media's attention span as it is - this will fade out of the news and the Freeple will be left with the impression that it was a frat party stunt blown out of proportion by the "left wing" media...

And the killing will go on...

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:56 AM
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7. What we've seen i s bad enough
The very idea that there's worse is damaging. Now that we already know that, they may as well release it.

In a more subtle way, Rummy is trying to blame the troops for these atrocities. To a certain extent, that is true. However, as a veteran (who held an MI MOS, no less), I know that doesn't cover it. Putting a troop on the spot by giving illegal orders may put the soldier at risk if those orders are obeyed, but it certainly does not exonerate the commander who issued them. On the contrary, military discipline requires that harsher penalties be given to those in command.

This problem goes all the way to the top. It is Bush and his people who instituted a system of justice after September 11 that is designed to circumvent the Third Geneva Conventions. Prisoners have no rights or human dignity. They are dismissed as "illegal combatants", a term not found in any document of international law; in direct contradiction to the Geneva Convention, which mandates that any combat detainee shall be treated as a prisoner of war until a competent court decides the status, the status of the detainee is left to the President and the Secretary of Defense. In Guantanamo, detainees are housed in 6' x 8' x 8' cages. In addition, torture is expressly prohibited by the Geneva Conventions and other international treaties and conventions to which the US is a party; yet the Bush administration has made torture a weapon in the war on terror. Before Abu Ghraib, there were documented cases of US sending a detainee to a third country with a less than stellar human rights record where the interrogant is to be tortured. This practice is expressly prohibited by the 1984 Convention against Torture.

Perhaps with the exposure of Abu Ghraib, Bush's America need not be so squeamish about farming out torture to Mubarak or King Abdallah. The human rights record of this administration is as sufficiently abominable that they should be able to handle it themselves. The only problem for them is that now that their practices have been exposed to daylight, the American people will not permit it.

The focus should not be on the troops. The focus should be on the responsibility of the administration which has created an atmosphere of contempt for international humanitarian laws and conventions that lead commanders to believe that abhorrent practices are tolerated and sanctioned and for enlisted men and women to believe that orders such as those given at Abu Ghraib are lawful.

This is not just lax oversight of rogue elements in the military and the intelligence community. This is official policy.

We are talking about war crimes and crimes against humanity. We are talking about them on a wide scale. We are talking about holding those at the top responsible for them.

We, the American people, cannot return Bush to power. We would dishonor ourselves to do so now, in light of this. He must be removed at the earliest opportunity and held to account for his misdeeds.
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BlueStateGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 06:12 PM
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10. I have mixed feelings about this. I am not in a hurry to see
pictures depicting rape and child molestation all over the news.

We know they exist, we know what has been done. I don't need to see it.
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