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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:42 PM
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"Catholics Against Kerry" - your comments please
Now bringing you the latest in hypocrisy - the Catholics Against Kerry webiste.

As a catholic and a pro-choice woman, this sickens me.

Anyone else?

Link: http://www.catholicsagainstkerry.com/
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angryinoville Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:46 PM
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1. How about "People against little boy molesting Catholic priests"?
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:49 PM
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2. how depressing
Edited on Sat May-08-04 02:51 PM by redwitch
as a catholic and a pro choice woman, I agree with you. And I note that you can't email them-cowards!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:55 PM
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7. Here is contact information.
Contacts:

Coordinator: John at info@catholicsagainstkerry.com

National Coordinator: Kevin at Wilsonmilhaus@aol.com

Public Relations Coordinator: Mike

Website questions: John at info@catholicsagainstkerry.com

It was buried under "about us"
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BlueMole Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:50 PM
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3. A mole
more skilled than I should set up "evangelicalsagainstbush.com" and wail and cry like a banshee that * isn't christian enough. ;-)hehe

As a pro-choice, godless male, I am also sickened
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:19 PM
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18. BushRevealed.com is run by fundies against Bush
http://www.bushrevealed.com/
The Truth about President Bush

This website serves as notice to Christians across this nation that President George Bush over the past few years has compromised his "Christian faith" by promoting evil and openly supporting wickedness. It is our hope and prayer that he would Repent and turn from such blatant sin. He is not our friend and cannot be trusted.

This website is dedicated to providing up-to-date factual news information tracking the president's anti-Christian and ungodly behavior. We encourage you to pray for Mr. Bush.

among their gripes:
his support for pro-abortion, "pro-homosexual" Arlen Specter, appointment of former Alabama Attorney General Bill Pryor to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th District (Pryor prosecuted former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore), his refusal to repent for having been a member of the "ungodly" Skull&Bones (haha, I love it!), "endorsing" other religions in a speech in January in which he said "Miracles happen as a result of the love of the Almighty, professed, by the way, taught, by the way, by religions from all walks of life whether it be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu," "praising Islam" when he went on his fake turkey photo-op trip to Bagdhad and saying "Tell (Sistani) that I pray to the same god he prays to... Tell Sistani I have nothing but praise for your religion. I have many millions of Muslims in my country back home,'" much more.

Actually, the way they portray Bush he is Gandhi-like in his tolerance and embrace of the world's religions--much to their disgust.
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:51 PM
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4. I looked at it...as a Catholic, pro choice man, I was...
...really disgusted. They forget the basic equation, however; Either John Kerry or GWB is going to win the election...a vote against Kerry (as they advocate) is a vote for the other guy. Yet, not one article touting anything positive about B* (shouldn't be hard, as they are obviously into writing fiction.) All that aside, it's a pretty amateurish site as well.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:52 PM
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5. after looking at their poorly constructed site
with no last names or links i suspect it's hooked up with Bush or the RNC, i notice Arlen Spector wasnt on their list.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:54 PM
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6. "Vote Catholic, Not Kerry"
Excuse me, but I was not aware of any other "Catholic" candidate in this presidential race. What morons!!

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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:57 PM
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8. We need to start, "Catholics against Bush" n/t
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WVhill Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:58 PM
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9. Fundamentalism comes in all flavors. ntx
ntx
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:58 PM
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10. Those are the ones that got the tax cuts!
Edited on Sat May-08-04 02:59 PM by Hubert Flottz
We are going to make the right choice in November!

Ther're either with us or against us! Hell I'm Skeerd of snakes any way!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:58 PM
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11. Will they
go after pro-death penaty politicians too?? Or pro-war politicians?

Didn't think so.

MzPip
:dem:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:18 PM
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17. Hell no
Using the state to murder the living isn't their problem.

They're just terrified that some mere woman will undo the holy work of their golden rods.

This site will offend more people than it converts
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tomorrowsashes Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:37 PM
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20. All good catholics know that life ends at birth
All good catholics know that life ends at the moment of birth, and therefore, it is no longer a sin to take. Try to take a fetus, though, and your Satan's servant.
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:01 PM
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12. Part of the right wing conspiracy
Catholics in the US were traditionally anti-war. They comprised a major portion of opposition against Viet Nam and the moral outrage against Nixon.

So, the Flying Monkeys had to make them one issue voters.

Hypocrites. They call themselves holy obedient Catholics, just because they oppose abortion. Rick Santorum celebrates himself as someone who sticks up for the One Faith, but when the Pope called on the world to do everything it could to stop the war in Iraq, Rick went all "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" faster than a speeding Pharisee.

Very smart political strategy to get Catholics to back odious murderous policies.

This movement is pure extremist Republicanism -- NOT religious.
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:04 PM
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13. The pope condemned the invasion of Iraq
If they want to go after Kerry for abortion, let them also go after Bush for his war.

So yes, this is, indeed, hypocrisy.

(And I'm Catholic...)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:09 PM
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14. Send an e-mail. Here's mine:
To: Karl Rove

Sorry, Karl.
This is woefully transparent.
I know you can do better, or are you in full panic mode now?
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:10 PM
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15. "Vote Catholic - Not Kerry"
WTF???????

I am not Catholic, so maybe I have no right to an opinion, but that is HORSEFEATHERS!!!

1) George W. Bush is an alleged Methodist, not a Catholic, so voting for him is not technically "voting Catholic".

2) Is voting for the president who started a war which the Pope opposed "voting Catholic"?

3) Is voting for the man who not only supports the death penaly, but mocks people before killing them "voting Catholic"?

4) Is voting for a man who allows the sick, children or adults, to go without medical care, and forces people to choose between medicine or food for the sake of giving more money to rich "voting Catholic"?

5) Is voting for the man who hates with such passion "voting Catholic"?

Jesus said ".....I was hungry and you fed me......if you do this to the least of my brothers you do it unto me"....THAT is Catholic. That is also catholic.

George W. Bush would not even meet with the Bishops of the UMC when they asked because he is, in his own mind, above their counsel. God actually spoke to him, directly, mind you, and "told" him to invade both Afghanistan and Iraq.


Evidently the Catholics Against Bush have some other candidate in mind, ya think?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:13 PM
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16. Here's the email I just sent them:
Thought I'd send 'em another view...

Gentlepeople:

As a born-and-raised Catholic in Los Angeles, I would like for you to know something:

It's BEYOND me how you professed Catholics can be against someone who hopes to drive george bush out of OUR White House?

Are you so in love with bush that you turn a blind eye to the reckless, useless, horribly damaging war in Iraq - that HE JUST HAD TO HAVE, and forced down our throats, by telling lies to the entire world?

Are you so in love with bush that you still embrace his aggressive adventurism in the Middle East, that's led us to this unspeakable evil that's been revealed in the Abu Ghraib prison? THAT is the face of America to the whole world now, THANKS TO BUSH.

Are you going to try to convince me that the Iraqi people are REALLY so much better off now, with Saddam gone, and that this war was SO worth it?

Can you really stand by this humiliating, cowardly, wretched excuse for a man - who slithered off to the comfort of the "champagne unit" in the Texas Air National Guard - and then slithered off even from THAT - when you could have a recognized, decorated Navy veteran who actually volunteered to go to Vietnam and put his life on the line, and THEN showed true courage after his tour of duty ended by coming home to tell the truth about the horrors of THAT war (that he personally WITNESSED), and try to get it stopped?

We Catholics are supposed to be for all things good. If this is so, why are you shackling yourselves to a true son of Satan?

Sorry, my friends. THIS Catholic is voting for, working for, and giving every dime I can afford, to the John Kerry for PRESIDENT campaign! I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK! And I am encouraging all my friends in our parish - and beyond - to do likewise. I shall be working that much harder now, having seen this from you.

CONTACT INFO:

Coordinator: John at info@catholicsagainstkerry.com

National Coordinator: Kevin at Wilsonmilhaus@aol.com

Public Relations Coordinator: Mike

Website questions: John at info@catholicsagainstkerry.com



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Arlington Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:20 PM
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19. just another surrogate
Well, don't get too upset.

One of the creators of this amateurish site was enough of a dumbass to use his own email address -- a quick search IDs him as a freeper, plus the driving force behind a "report" about Dems enlisting felons to register to vote. I'd be surprised if he's even a Catholic. He's just one of those robotic little minor-league neo-con bastards who's been trained to go out and set brush fires.
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pres2032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:40 PM
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21. I am Catholic and I am voting for John Kerry
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:41 PM
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22. The more fuss this crowd makes
the more they marginalize themselves in this Catholic's opinion.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:45 PM
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23. Five Catholics in my family voting for Kerry.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:11 PM
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24. Check this out...
Did a Whois at Network Solutions and got this:

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: CATHOLICSAGAINSTKERRY.COM
Created on: 30-Mar-04
Expires on: 30-Mar-05
Last Updated on: 30-Mar-04

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration CATHOLICSAGAINSTKERRY.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration CATHOLICSAGAINSTKERRY.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax --

So I go to Domains By Proxy Inc. at http://domainsbyproxy.com/ and find out this is a place that allows someone to legally get around the law that requires the owner of a domain name to be publicly available in the Whois database:

"Did you know that for each domain name you register, anyone -
anywhere, anytime - can find out your name, home address, phone
number and email address?

The law requires that the personal information you provide with every
domain you register be made public in the "WHOIS" database. Your
identity becomes instantly available - and vulnerable - to spammers,
scammers, prying eyes and worse.

But now there's a solution: Domains By Proxy!"


Odds are 1-9 that the RNC or maybe even Karl Rove has this name registered. So fellow Catholics, don't fret too much. Whoever has this website up has what they consider a very good reason to hide their identity.

From their legal page:

"Prohibitions: Domains By Proxy will not do business with you,
nor protect your identity, if you:
• Transmit spam, viruses or harmful computer programs;
• Violate the law or infringe a third party’s trademark or copyright;
• Engage in morally objectionable activities, including but not limited to those which are child pornographic, defamatory, abusive, harassing, obscene, racist, or otherwise objectionable."


As a Catholic, I feel this website is defamatory, abusive, harassing, obscene, racist (thrown in for good measure) and otherwise objectionable..... SEND DOMAINS BY PROXY AN EMAIL COMPLAINING ABOUT THE TERRIBLE ABUSE OF THEIR SERVICE THIS WEBSITE IS... SEND EMAIL TO:
abuse@domainsbyproxy.com DEMAND TO KNOW WHO IS RUNNING THIS WEBSITE.
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:16 PM
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25. Folks do some very strange things
to try to prove they are on superior high moral ground. Crawling under the slimiest rock imaginable seems to be a favorite.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:05 PM
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27. You'd think if it was so moral, they'd be doing everything out in the open
and all on the up-n-up, instead of working through shadow outfits and electronic masquerades. Telling the truth is the Eighth Commandment, for Bible-thumpers everywhere.
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heidiho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:30 PM
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26. Al;ready got a response from "John" (or Karl as we know him to be
John Kerry introduced religion into politics by having his campaign staff call reporters for photo ops at Catholic Churches. His staff admited his attendance at Mass during his ski vacation was "just a media op." They called reporters before he went to Easter Mass in Boston, to tell all the reporters where he would be.

If you really want to keep religion out of politics, you should write to him to protest these photo ops.

John

(Hee hee hee, what a loser.)

Remember that Bush NEVER EVER uses church as a photo-op.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:10 PM
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28. They could well be asked in response - "and the bushes DON'T?"
Thanks. I intend to respond accordingly when "John" or whoever it might be decides to reply to my email.
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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:16 PM
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29. It would take 4 hands to count all the Catholics
Edited on Sat May-08-04 05:16 PM by DaveSZ
in my family voting for Kerry.

:)
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:16 PM
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30. Methodists against Bush next?
He violates almost every tenet of the church as afar as social principles go and is hateful in his "Biblical interpretations."

And I hate to tell him that "Everyone who says 'Lord, Lord'" is not a Christian.
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