We **really** should have drafted Sen. Clinton

I'm behind Sen. Kerry, but I can't help but wish we had drafted the lovely Senator Clinton instead. I saw her Thursday on Oprah and everyone loves her. Why oh why did we let the right dictate to us who should and shouldn't run. Kerry is neck and neck with Bush and simply isn't making any waves. No disrespect intended towards Kerry or the Dems who nominated him...

She made a pledge to the voters of NY to fill out her term.

Don't worry. If Kerry loses, Hillary will be the next president of the U.S. in 2008.

There is no doubt in my mind. After four more years of Bush, people will be begging for Clinton nostalgia.

She is still a very polarizing figure. HC would not be able to attract the voters that Kerry will attract.

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Most reasonable people I know would take the Clintons back in a heartbeat.

Even if Clinton draws so much a reaction from the ABC wing of the Republican party, I would still think she'd draw more votes than Kerry. Like it or not, Kerry's charisma is an issue, and in the US, that means a lot.

Let me add though, I still would oppose drafting her. If anyone wants to draft Dean, however...

...maybe we should just give up now and stay home on election day. All is lost. /sarcasm off

ticket, I'd be much less likely to vote for Kerry. I can barely bring myself to vote for that corporate whore Kerry as it is (no offense to corporatewhore), except that I want Bush gone that bad.

My mom loves her, I love her. She is such a spritually grounded, intelligent, and driven woman. I might not agree with all of her policies (i.e., giving Bush the green light to go to war), but I think she'd be great for healing this country and moving us forward into the 21st century (i.e., first female president).

She and Hubby Bill have done some really reprehensible things (for my list of Bill's abuses see my post on the "I Miss Clinton" thread). Her support for war, her incessant bashing of the Palestinians, support for the Patriot Act. I know you say: "She is such a spritually grounded, intelligent, and driven woman. I might not agree with all of her policies...", but I'm sorry being spiritually grounded, intelligent and driven doesn't amount to a hill of beans if you support shitty policies.

I think this is why liberals love her so much. They are so enamored with her personality that they look past all the truly awful things she has done. When I attended my union's political action conference, a lot of people (especially the sisters) wanted to meet Hillary. I wanted to puke, when I asked them why, they gave me that tired old "cause she's a strong woman" stuff, but couldn't give me any concrete policy reasons she was so great (beyond pro-choice, which most Democratic politicians can claim).

I cannot understand this fucking obsession with the Clintons shared by both conservatives and liberals-- they were polished politicians, that's it, and like most politicians they did some good and a lot of bad.

Hillary doesn't move me one way or the other. However, I actually agree with several of your reasons for disliking her as I think that "hate" is a bit excessive.

I definitely would not want her to be POTUS. I liked Bill better.

Hillary has done. I'm not trying to be an ass for asking but many of us don't know exactly what she has done that is so bad.

tend to be the same people who spitshine JimRob's wheelchair tires.

reasons)-- therefore I am a Repub. NO DISSENT FROM THE CLINTON CULT!

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Nothing to unite the Repubs like Hillary. If you think Kerry is doing "bad", can you even imagine how Hillary would be fighting off the charges? Bad idea, in my opinion.

Their fundraising would double if she was even 50 feet away from the ticket.

I'd rather have Kerry, a capable veteran with excellent rhetorical skills. Kerry is more liberal than Senator Clinton anyway.

as a running mate! Never mind.

:)

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I'm just being honest. The point I'm making is that while Kerry might be OK with hardcore Dems, mainstream Americans like myself are wishing we had other choices right about now. I'm not happy with what Kerry is doing AT ALL. Why isn't he going around the country and tearing Bush a new butthole every chance he gets? He's letting the media define him and right now he's coming across as really weak! You should see the way Hillary handles herself when the Repubs try to slip in attacks--totally classy but firm enough to make them look stupid :-)

...about six months ago. Right about now is when we all unite behind a single candidate to take back our country. Or didn't you get the memo?

Must have been hard not to type "Hitlery," huh?

thinly veiled accusations on the thread.

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Is that what you mean? You wanted someone more conservative than Kerry?

Believe it or not, that system really works...

You are saying Kerry is a social conservative? Or Kerry is a fiscal...what? What is the greatness of Sen. Clinton eclipsing John Kerry?

My response: Hillary is socially liberal, fiscally moderate--that is the combination that I prefer, and more importantly, the combination that actually works!

Made your point.

When it comes to diversity that is...

What are you referring to? And tell me how Sen. Clinton deals with the issue in a superior way.

Even Dubya beat Kerry in that department...how sad....

1. Support of Iraq War

2. Support of Patriot Act

3. Bashes the Palestinians for cynical political gain

Which of these are socially liberal, I wonder. By the way, there's a place for social liberals/fiscal conservatives-- it's called the Libertarian Party. Maybe Hillary should switch parties if she really is as you claim (but the point's moot b/c I don't think she's socially liberal at all).

At least Clinton is likeable!

he's a scumbag. I just don't understand this love fest so many liberals have for the Clintons-- they're pretty conservative Democrats.

All is lost anyway. I think I'll just go and curl up in the corner in the fetal position.

Bwahahahahaha...

I'm more on the liberal side but most of the people I know are moderate and they love both Clintons! The only people who hate her seem to be the anti-feminist types.

just because you love her, anyone who dislikes her is scum. There are legitinate reasons for progressives, even other Dems to dislike her. My point about the moderates and Kerry is that even though Kerry is more liberal than Clinton, Hillary is more the political lightning-rod (for whatever dumb reason).

Turn off FOX and get your news elsewhere. Kerry IS out there campaigning. He HAS defined himself - he's the candidate that knows first hand what war is like, and he will be a president that will take responsibility for his Administration and won't be in the dark about what's going on.

Hillary on the ticket would unite the Republicans like no other candidate because of their perverse obsession with all things Clinton and his Cock 'o Doom.

The right wing hates her and she has alienated mst of the Left with her (continued) support of the war, of the Patriot Act, and her general "going along to get along."

Kerry will be fine.

No Wine is Ready Before it's Time.

This is NOT Hillary's Time!

Although, I find the "I wish we had <xxx> instead of Kerry," comments a bit distasteful and defeatist, and I suspect Hillary would not endorse them. Remember, this is a democracy, at least theoretically, which means everyone has a personal choice that they prefer more then the aggregate collection choice.

And surely she would take a stab at running in 2008 in the unlikely event that Kerry loses.

I despise her. And to think I used to like her.

Did you see her on Larry King? She was vile.

She is NOT a member of an opposition party. She is a DINO.

She can rot in hell

The PC Police.

LOL!

Seriously, what makes Kerry's long term record from Viet Nam to current one as Senator pale in relation to Sen. Clinton's first term in Senate?

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You can't compare one against the other on that issue, unfortunately.

She is a polarizing figure. The Republicans hate her guts. Not all Dems love her- some have bought into the right-wing lies about her.

Senator Clinton, for all her good points, is such a polorizing figure, we would lose more votes than we gained, never mind the fundraising the Replutocans would do using her name.

And I sincerely hope that, if we lose (gawds forbid!) this year, she does NOT RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008. The Reich wing would proclaim that the DNC THREW the 2004 election so she could run in 2008.

No, senator Clinton should stay in the senate, building up seniority... I can picture her in 12 years or so as President (Pro Tem) of the Senate, helping a Democratic President with the laws needed to keep the country on track. But as presidential candidate, she is not it.

She couldn't have won this time.

Kerry is going to win big, and sadly Hillary will never be President if that's the case. Kerry will be in for two terms which is fine with me.

a GREAT disappointment. Maybe they like her in NY, but for a progressive, she's a dud.

here didn't have Senator Clinton on. Instead it was a re-run of a show with Luther Vandross. Did I have my days mixed up, maybe? I know it was a rough week, but I am pretty sure it was Thursday when I tuned in hoping to see Senator Clinton and instead they had a repeat of that.

Clinton's segment came on after the Luther V. interview. It was heartwarming. The interview continued after the show (5/06)and can be viewed here: http://www.oprah.com/tows/after/tows_after_all.jhtml

I guess I jumped the gun and turned the show off before the segment. I appreciate the link!

I would prefer to be voting for Gore or Dean.

But he was destroyed by the media (and other Dems).

fwf

Hillary is too radioactive.

Kerry will do well. The secret word is timing.

Have patience, grasshopper.

--IMM

No matter what Bush does or did wouldn't matter. The TV would be blaring "Billary this and Billary that" 24/7/365. Besides, Kerry is the best qualified person to lead the country out of the mess the BFEE has created.

One last thing: Welcome to DU, Used and Abused! Where ya been?