A tidbit more on the photos we haven't seen yet

http://www.sundayherald.com/41693

Other pictures, which the world has not seen, but which are in the hands of the US military, include shots of a dog attacking a prisoner. An accused soldier says dogs are “used for intimidation factors”.

There are also pictures of an apparent male rape. An Iraqi PoW claims that a civilian translator, hired to work in the prison, raped a male juvenile prisoner. He said: “They covered all the doors with sheets. I heard the screaming ... and the female soldier was taking pictures.”

The British pictures show a hooded Iraqi aged between 18-20 on the floor of a military truck being brutalised. According to two squaddies who took part in the torture, but later blew the whistle, the Iraqi’s ordeal lasted eight hours and he was left with a broken jaw and missing teeth. He was bleeding and vomited when his captors threw him out of a speeding truck. No-one knows if he lived or died.

One of the British soldiers said: “Basically this guy was dying as he couldn’t take any more. An officer came down. It was ‘Get rid of him – I haven’t seen him’.” The other whistle-blower said he had witnessed a prisoner being beaten senseless by troops. “You could hear your mate’s boots hitting this lad’s spine ... One of the lads broke his wrist off a prisoner’s head. Another nearly broke his foot kicking him.”

According to the British soldiers, the military police have found a video of prisoners being thrown from a bridge, and a prisoner was allegedly beaten to death in custody by men from the Queen’s Lancashire Regiment.

Leaving the horrors of the photos aside. And I completely agree they are sick and disgusting. Is it possible that the CIA/FBI is taking revenge on Karl Rove for outing an operative?

The White House knew about this in January yet did nothing. They are culpable and Bush* et al screwed-up. Blowback is a bitch.

because it's THEY who have the "bush KNEW" bumper stickers. Thanks to some anonymous pickup truck driver rumbling down the road in West L.A. with his windows open (so I could holler at him at a stop light and ask where he got his), I now know. Ironically, they've been around for awhile - mainly in reaction to what bush knew in advance about 9/11.

I'm gonna order a dozen of them. NOW. Got room in the credit card. Be back in a moment or two...

I'm back. Here's the link to the From the Wilderness STORE if you'd like. They have bUSH KNEW bumper stickers, those terrific, hilarious and very well-done bush "deception dollars" (got a few of those, too) AND more!

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/store/index.html

My order is now on its way. Can't wait!!!!

I stay with my homemade Question W stickers. Hey, I do have scraps of shelf liner and I can swipe a big time felt marker from my son. Hmmmm, maybe my nine year old artist son needs a job.

Bush* KNEW, Bush* KNEW, Bush* KNEW, Bush* KNEW!

Cool! Excellent craft project in any event (my other specialty, when I tend to my other "life").

eom

By any means necessary.

The information - where are the WMDs?

The source - unfortunate Iraqi detainees!

The outcome - sodomy, degradation, brutalization.

The conclusion - no WMDs and hopefully one defeated administration!

"But these soldiers aren’t simply mavericks. Some accused claim they acted on the orders of military intelligence and the CIA, and that some of the torture sessions were under the control of mercenaries hired by the US to conduct interrogations. Two civilian contract organisations taking part in interrogations at Abu Ghraib are linked to the Bush administration.

California-based Titan Corporation says it is a leading provider of solutions and services for national security. Between 2003-04, it gave nearly $40,000 to George W Bush’s Republican Party. Titan supplied translators to the military."

that was from the article...this Titan Corp. needs some lookin' into.

Military law does not apply to them, so turn them over to the new Iraqi government this summer.

" The Titan Corporation (NYSE: TTN - News) today reported revenues of $459 million for the first quarter of 2004, a 21% increase over revenues of $378 million for the same period a year ago. The year-over-year organic growth rate in the first quarter was also 21%, reflecting new and expanded contract activity in Titan's National Security Solutions business."

http://www.titan.com/investor/press-releases/press_releases_display_2004.html?id=28&select=6

It's wierd, I actually feel a little uneasy posting the link to Titan. they are friends of the Bushies and will see traffic coming from this site...but what the hell. Fuck 'em.

provided translators only...not interrogators...but I've learned enough to know the official story is usually straight up fucking BS...

"The Titan Corporation, whose home is in San Diego, converted its military technology for civilian use. Titan’s irradiation project adapted a linear accelerator originally designed for the Star Wars program to irradiate food with electrons moving at the speed of light. Huisken is only one company among many food industry giants that have contracted with or expressed interest in having Titan’s spin-off company, SureBeam, irradiate their products; Cargill, IBP, Omaha Steaks, and Tyson are among the others."

http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7159

"The Titan Corporation announced today that it has been awarded an indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) multiple award Technical and Scientific Support of Sensor Systems Contract -- having a potential value of up to $104 million over five years (one base year, plus four option years) -- to provide Naval Air Systems Command's Avionics Department with research, development, integration, analysis, assessment and test and evaluation in support of sensor systems"

http://www.eedesign.com/press_releases/prnewswire/showPressRelease.jhtml?articleID=X205024&CompanyId=1

It's all a racket.

for lying to increase stock value...

"Much Shelist Freed Denenberg Ament & Rubenstein, P.C. announces that a class action lawsuit is pending in the United States District Court for the Southern District of California on behalf of purchasers of the securities of Titan Corporation (NYSE:TTN) ("Titan" or the "Company") between July 24, 2003 and March 22, 2004, inclusive ("Class Period").

The Complaint alleges that Titan, along with Gene Ray (Chairman and CEO), Mark Sopp (CFO), and Deanna Lund (Corporate Controller and Chief Accounting Officer) violated the federal securities laws by issuing a series of materially false and misleading statements to the market. These misstatements had the effect of artificially inflating the market price of Titan's securities. "

http://www.primezone.com/ca/news.shtml?d=56971

The whole fuckin' place is corrupt I bet. If you peeled off the layers of Titan I bet you'd find another Enron.

I do believe the ties are there, but $40 grand isn't makin it!

We need closer ties....more personal.

Wonder what this is all about. The link isn't working for me.

But I did find a class action lawsuit "including allegations of dramatically overstating revenues and concealing The Titan Corporation's true prospects.."
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/04-14-2004/0002151872&EDATE=

And nearly $200 million in govt contracts awarded after that. And, on an even happier note, revenues were up 21% in the first quarter!

:puke:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040406/phtu031_1.html

Here's another story. Part of me wonders if Lockheed Martin didn't scare this up just to cut the price of buying Titan.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aQItbUVsGzKM&refer=us

And they cry when people around the world say NAZI!

A few months ago, wasn't there a freeperish spate of manufactured outrage over tapes of Saddam's prisoners being thrown from a roof?

But this is different, because, well...it just is.

That Sunday Herald story, AND THIS ONE:

http://www.sundayherald.com/41906

by James Cusick - titled

Bush and Blair say they are shocked by the abuse of war prisoners...but they knew about it two years ago.

subtitled

String of reports warned of widespread torture by troops dating back to Afghanistan.

How 'bout them apples?

...it is endemic to the idea of training a person to efficiently kill, maim, and destroy. Don't you people get it yet??? This stuff is just plain wrong. The military is not about the pretty parades...it is not about "civilian affairs"...it is not about "peacekeeping." It is about destruction, death, and despair. You have to fundamentally change a person for him/her to be effective as a soldier. That is why the initial "brainwashing" course (aka boot camp). Do you really want to have a million plus of them in our midst????? Do you really want to condemn your children to this??? Should we be looking up to this and celebrating it???

Think a bit people...think!</rant>

Do I want to live in this country among these fucking
pharma-altered, brainwashed fucks when they come home?
NO WAY-
New Zealand, here I come.
BHN

we are fucked. really fucked. bu$h is out, probably before the NYC Convention. mark my word. McCain might save the GOP.

WTF? It is so painful to read these things and to know WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE THERE.

Skittles, will you join me in reminding the
Fucking freepers trolling DU that we
TRIED to warn you?
What do the trolls have to say NOW?
That Iraqi CIVILIANS deserved this?
If the trolls want to retort,
"But what about what they did to those 4 contractors?"
We will reply...
"The troture and rape of the Iraqi civilians is now
on record as having happened BEFORE the 4 contractor
were killed and hung from a bridge, and who,
for all we know were participants in the atrocities
against Iraqi civilians and therefore recognized and
murdered in revenge."
I know that is a complicated thought process for most
freepers to follow, so I will put it this way-
YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.
And contrary to what the freeps may THINK,
the results in the garden are the weeds of YOUR ignorance
in supporting this war.
Can I get a witness?
BHN