Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Disaster for Blair as Iraq torture claims widen

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:04 PM
Original message
Disaster for Blair as Iraq torture claims widen
The British government was warned by Red Cross officials in February that coalition troops were abusing and even killing Iraqi captives, it emerged last night. Downing Street has been dragged into the deepening crisis after admitting ministers were shown a copy of the Red Cross report detailing abuses so that action could be taken.
The revelation prompted immediate opposition demands that Tony Blair explain what he and senior government colleagues knew and what steps they took to stop the abuse of captives. Last night, there was further severe embarrassment for the British military after it emerged a second regiment was apparently involved in the mistreatment of prisoners and that soldiers could face prosecution for sexual assault.
It was reported that as many as three members of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers were under investigation by military police after officers were shown photographs of Iraqi captives being forced to commit homosexual acts. And in another development, the Ministry of Defence admitted that British military personnel were stationed at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison, the scene of the most sadistic abuses by US soldiers, for several months earlier this year. It has already been suggested that much of the degrading treatment meted out to Iraqis was devised by the British as an interrogation tool.

Meanwhile, Scotland on Sunday can reveal that Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon is thrashing out a deal with US and Iraqi leaders to allow the vast majority of inmates in British-controlled prisons to come under Iraqi control when power is transferred on June 30.

Coalition forces are currently holding 8,000 prisoners in 14 separate jails around Iraq under the terms of the Geneva Convention, which dictates the conditions of prisoners of war (PoWs).

British military chiefs are desperate to hand over the responsibility to Iraqi police as soon as possible.

Senior ministerial source said last night: "We accept this situation has caused our forces great difficulty and it is in all our interests to see that this responsibility is removed from their roster.

"We have prisoners of war, security detainees and criminal detainees, but there is no reason why the vast majority of these cannot be guarded by local officials. I would expect that within a month of the handover we would only have a handful of the most hardened detainees still in our custody."


http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=528512004
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:11 PM
Response to Original message
1. More good news for Blair
Blair faces EU ambush over 'rewritten' constitution

Tony Blair was plunged into a fresh and damaging row over Europe yesterday when a new 130-page draft of the European constitution was shown to contain more threats to the Government's "red line" positions defending Britain's national interests.

The unexpectedly tough dossier, drawn up by the Irish government, which at present holds the EU's six-monthly presidency, proposes significant increases in the power of the European Commission at the expense of member states.

Among the amendments are moves to greatly strengthen the powers of the proposed EU "foreign minister" - an unelected commissioner - enabling him or her to give orders to the foreign ministers of member countries, including Jack Straw, and to control the EU corps of diplomats.

The ability of Britain and other member states to veto the appointment of the president and vice-president of the European Central Bank also comes under renewed threat, as does the independence of the bank itself.

The powers of the European Parliament in rejecting the Commission's budget - itself a contentious issue - would be greatly increased and there are even possible threats to Britain's right to levy taxes independently.

More decisions across a range of areas should, according to the proposed amendments, be taken by qualified majority voting, effectively removing the ability of Britain and other countries to wield a veto.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/09/neu09.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/05/09/ixportaltop.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:51 PM
Response to Original message
2. Oh a very fine point of International Law
The UK DID sign into the International Court of Justice at the Hague.

They could, if evidence warrants it, (mamaged to type this with a straight face) indict Blair and request his transfer ex post facto to the Hague for trial...

Folks this will be one of those moments in human history were gettng your popcorn is worth getting... this could be entertaining... really... ah may you live in interesting times...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:55 PM
Response to Original message
3. Couldn't happen to a nicer flunky.
I mean, the guy is personable when he's not lying or enabling Bish's lies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:08 AM
Response to Original message
4. He made his bed . . .
now let him sleep in it. (I always love using that cliche)

It really makes you wonder whether he was ever really this great politician that everyone made him out to be. I loved him when Clinton was President, but why would he ever hitch his wagon to the Bush train wreck?!?!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Hubris.
Wanted to be a span-the-party-change-in-the-US prime minister and not be forever associated with Clinton.

He got his wish and his 15 minutes of fame. Now he must face the music.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:10 AM
Response to Original message
5. When was it that Blair last visited?
I can't keep up with all of this stuff anymore. Wasn't that about the same time this stuff was about to come out?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 08th 2024, 10:30 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC