Real reason for abuse-FIND WMD's by any method!

napi21

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Sun May-09-04 09:35 AM
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Real reason for abuse-FIND WMD's by any method!

It seems to me this admin. knew it needed proof of WMD's and didn't care what had to be done to get that info! Even Warner and Graham said the foundation for acceptance of this kind of treatment was set by the President.

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Warpy

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Sun May-09-04 09:40 AM
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1. That's my take, as well

Intelligence officers showed up and told them to find WMD programs, Al Qaeda agents, even people who thought of doing either thing, by any means possible.

That's why these guys need to be squeezed until the names start to pop out, on up the line. They didn't do this stuff without permission. It's too widespread and long lasting for that.

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Ms. Clio

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Sun May-09-04 09:43 AM
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2. Bush et al. knew there were no WMDs before the war started

I don't think the torture had anything to do with WMDs.

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napi21

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Sun May-09-04 10:17 AM
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5. Lots of people believed there were WMD's

I'm not sure I totally believed it, but I wasn't sure enough to scream that there weren't. It seems to me that most of the House & Senate believed it or the vote to go to war wouldn't have been there.

I think it's at least possible that Shrub believed his Intelligence people, and then said You guys better damn well find them!

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Ms. Clio

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Sun May-09-04 10:27 AM
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6. Which "intelligence people?"

Just from all the reading I did before the war, I knew there weren't any WMDs--and the Congress voted to go along with the war because most of them are spineless hacks. The CIA said there weren't any, or if there were, they were old and degraded. The "Office of Special Plans?" Well, that was an outfit set up to justify the war by any means possible.

The point is, this war was never really about WMDs at all.

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caffefwee

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Sun May-09-04 08:16 PM
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9. and the WMDs had nothing to do with Osama and 9/11

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Minstrel Boy

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Sun May-09-04 10:11 AM
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3. Don't think so.

Who's being tortured? Boys and girls. Civilians.

And who talks about WMD anymore, except as a joke? There are none, they know it, and they got away with it.

When it's about getting a people to submit, the torture is self-justifying.

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kentuck

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Sun May-09-04 10:14 AM
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4. Which proves, in my mind, that it came directly from the top ...

I think you have hit the nail on the head. The pressure was so great to find WMDs and attempt to validate the illegal invasion, that there was pressure from the top to get "answers" from the detainees, by whatever methods necessary...

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muriel_volestrangler

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Sun May-09-04 12:53 PM
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7. quite likely

since David Kay says he expressed concern about interrogations when he was searching for WMDs. It must have been a significant part of the information they were hoping for.

A special adviser to the director of Central Intelligence, Kay worked from June to January searching for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Kay said he told people during his time in Iraq that the system for gaining intelligence from inmates had gone terribly awry.

“I was there and I kept saying the interrogation process is broken. The prison process is broken. And no one wanted to deal with it,” Kay said. “It was too, too distasteful. This is a known problem and the military refuses to deal with it.”

http://www.dailyprogress.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CDP%2FMGArticle%2FCDP_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031775272592&path=!news

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kentuck

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Sun May-09-04 12:58 PM
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8. Why was David Kay looking for WMDs in the prison system ??

Because he thought there may have been information from some of the "detainees" about whereabouts of WMDs? I don't think the Bush Adminsitration were worried about the WMDs that Saddam had but they thought they could find some as proof for their reason for going to war...They thought they could find something...anything...but they found nothing.

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