What is it that keeps Pubs Clinging to Bush?

Denial ? Emotion driven, Fear.

Loss of Face? Pride?

Unable to admit Error in Judgement?

Brain washed, Influenced to the point of Closed Mind?

Myopic?

Peer Pressure?

Church Pressure?

Business Pressure?

Analytical Judgement Impaired?

Unable to see the Failures of Bush and his Team?

Come, tell me your thoughts.

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they cling

I'll bet you are a riot at parties. :toast:

Sad, but are we comped by a Negative Force??

Where is the Balance?

spineless excuses I've ehard for supporting him, eventhough he's a braindead criminal.

as a good guy...? The Black Sheep?

same could be said of Bin Laden.

Refusal to admit they are wrong.

He's a teflon coated idiot that can do stupid, catastrophic shit and just grin and the press treats him like a Special Olympics president.

He is fucking Ideal for these morons

and children as this American Ship strikes the Iceburg of Reality and is listing badly. They got control alright; of their Lifeboat.

However, the hard core *Bush worshippers stubbornly refuse to acknowledge any facts that contradict their view of the little dictator as a good ol' boy, down to earth, "good Christian", etc., etc. Their only rebuttal to such facts is to accuse the messenger of being unpatriotic.

A stubborn, arrogant, belief that all is well in the face of disaster.
Nero fiddling as Rome burns.
The inability to accept ones' critics observations is classic example of the immature behavior of many recovering substance abusers

Nation which was able to get men to the Moon and back? Damn.

If they couldnot divide the issue into Dems vs Repubs, they would have very little support. By partisan division, they keep their troops in line.

The Dreaded Democrats. That's what all the treason talk is about.

History shows this Path is not only wrong but counter productive... we are seeing it unfold once more..... to America.

or should I say Dominionists and non? The fundies who squeeze their eyes closed and hold before them their hate of anyone not like them as a banner of protection are Dominionists in my eyes, whether they know of the term or not.

Where I work there are a depressingly large number of young fundy women who praise the Smirk in exactly those terms (Man of God, Good Christian, Oh I like George...). Dedicated Faux News watchers; stickers saying "Ask me about Jesus" on their doors and posters poignantly crying out against the assaults on their freedom to pray! (<---retching till my eyes turn green)

the damage rendered by Myopic Closed Minds/

and ignorance work for the taxcut angle. i.e., the "death tax".

...and denial.

$$$$.

They know there's nothing there, as far as Bush is concerned. They know he's not capable of doing anything, making policy or following through on anything. He's not really there. He's just a hologram, or an image which they can work with.

If you analyze it, you'll discover that this country has been driving, but with no one at the wheel for 3 1/2 years.

Didn't this happen many times in our Human History?

other guy is worse. No matter Kerry served and got medals, he didn't really 'deserve' them. No matter the deficit is the highest its ever been, Kerry's would be higher. No matter we should never be in Iraq, Kerry would bring back Sadaam to the free people we now torture. Etc.

no tomorrow. They plot on how to make us Dems look Bad in the hopes to cast us as worse than them.

What a way to govern.

Where the good plans of the GOP?? Lets see what they got besides this war shit.

Where are the positive steps the GOP plan for us and our children? They are so full of it its Mind Boggling

and for the life of me, I can't figure out why.

The only explanation is pride. I think it has something to do with Bush being sold as the anti-Clinton. Nobody likes being suckered, but the right has so much invested in their shoddy product, the Bush administration, that they have no choice but to defend him until the end. Until they admit that Clinton wasn't nearly as bad as portrayed by the media, they'll never admit that they made a mistake voting for Bush.

Of course, the press won't help. But I can't believe that it won't happen.

they just don't give a shit and cling to * as if he were some sort of saviour. They are the epitome of the Ugly American. They hate anything they feel threatened by and in their neurotic state they are threatened by everything.

giving us Guilt. Its like making themselves look good by making us guilty and look bad.

Let them go get their own Goodness by earning it, not denigrating us.

....that Kerry is the nominee, as he is the embodiment (to them) of anti-American liberalism.

If Wes Clark were the presumptive nominee, we'd see a shift of a couple million already away from Bush, I believe.

there. After all, making bad decisions all time champion is now in the hands of BushCo.

If Clark were the nominee, they'd have invented--and, with the help of the SCLM, disseminated--some sort of meme about Clark that would be as damaging as the faux medals scandal or flip-flop images.

That's what they do. THey did it to Gore, they're doing it to Kerry. They even did it to McCain.

They started on Clark; remember, he was a dangerous megalomaniac? Remember they dragged up a few men who served under him to appear and say he was arrogant and irresponsible? And trust me, that same bunch will be out in force--along with the "Swift boaters against Kerry" or whoever--if and when Clark becomes the VP.

Their strategies obviously work. We have Democrats and Liberals fretting about Kerry's flip-flop problem instead of attacking the source of the bulls--t.

...would have invented stories about Wes Clark. But the underlying knee-jerk image of liberalism does not exist in Clark's past.

Look, tens of millions of red-staters will vote AGAINST Kerry, not for Bush. It's a vote against all they despise about liberalism.

Clark doesn't have that past to vote against.

Last shot: Really scary photo of Clark baring teeth or something, looking like a madman

Voiceover, by a female: "Wesley* Clark. Dangerous for America."

*they would never refer to him as "General" in the voiceover, but they would ceaselessly show photos of him looking positively mad, while in full military regalia

G-D fearing man. THAT is all that matters to them.

Oh wait. You meant "God," didn't you? My bad. ;)

The evidence shows he clearly is not of Gods Crew, Bush makes his own rules and passes them off as God's. Bad Bush does it again.

The military industries are making billions. The rich are getting richer. The special interests want to keep their puppet in office.

we low sheep guys try to keep the trough full for the GOP Greed.
They got their "Heaven" here on Earth and they have the nerve to ask us to wait for our "Heaven" over there, laters.

"Systemic problems" SWEEP - "counterproductive to ascribe individual blame" SWEEP SWEEP - "The details of who, what, and how are not important. What's important now is that we move forward and never let this happen again" SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP...

they wanted the command of the USS America only to ram her full speed onto the reef of Shame.

I'd further add:

closed mindedness

minions with closed Minds, stolen and reported but cops unable to locate the Perps and the absconded Minds mentioned.

It's one of the great mysteries of our time. I will admit the polarization has gotten so bad, on both sides, that I every time I meet a republican now I'm shaking his hand and thinking "Great, another fucking troglodyte".

Sad but true. They Rather the Plain Spoken Prez who talks their level I suppose rejecting Intellectualism as Elitists, not realizing smarts is way better than clinging to the staus quo

For those who are partisans, voting against the party is like siding with those that hate you. Imagine what it would take to get some of us to vote FOR bush. . . . it's just not gonna happen. . . . The bright side is that maybe 20% of citizens, maybe less are true partisans. . . . The rest dont really give a damn about politics & only pay attention every couple of years . . . easier to get 50 of those votes than it is to convert one true believer from the other side

an us versus them mentality in our own country. You're either
with us or you're unpatriotic. You're either with us or
you support the terrorists. Once someone very strongly choses a side in what they believe is a big battle it is hard to make
another decision. The right has set things up for it to be intentionally hard to leave the pack. Cognitive dissonance is a factor too. I would wager that people will stay home rather than
change their minds. I'm OK with that, by the way.

and got sold on the False Promise of Hope.

undicided and the occasional voters too.

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But its most important for Kerry is to lay out some very good ideas and plans for the Present and Future that encourages the Non Voters to come and speak of their choices. Kerry must make a strong Appeal to them, for the sake of our Nation and our children.

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Was just asking the in-laws why they can still support Bush after everything. They are not religious, so that's not the reason. They said my sister-in-law will stay home and not vote. Her husband says he hates apathy, so he will vote for Bush and my in-laws say they will too. They say they cannot vote for Kerry. They listen to Fox and believe lies about his purple heart.

They see the problems with Bush, but feel the Democrats are worse. I believe they have been brainwashed because they cannot come up with one reason why Kerry is bad besides lies about his war record or made-up thing about France. They have wrong information about everything, it's like an alternative reality. They say Kerry and Bush are equally bad and nobody can fix anything, so they will vote Bush.

I said, "Do you want a one-party state? Don't you want two parties and checks and balances in the government?" They said that they did, but they will still vote for Bush. My husband's brother spent two hours last night and we spent an hour today trying to convince them, but they just enjoy hating Democrats too much. The weird thing is they will admit to all the horrible things Bush has done and said, but they act like they are helpless to vote otherwise because they say the Democrats are worse. But yet, they can't give one reason why Kerry would be worse.

So I agree with many reasons given here - willful ignorance, pride and brainwashing.

With all of the evidence, how can they still back the Shrub??

"the tendency to be lulled into a false sense of security by one's abductors/captors."

Though I think that all of the factors listed above have great merit, I'm going to keep posting this theory which I believe is the only factor that overwhelmingly explains the neck and neck polls despite all the burbling scandals, until someone agrees.

the Lost Mind. Despite years of searching, nada, cannot find.

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Come, we follow the Yellow Brick Road, we look for Heart, Courage, and Brains to rid ourselves of this Horrid Closet Tyranny.

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Detached, deluded, in denial.

A stubborn refusal to admit culpability is characteristic of anyone of low character and values of convenience. ie: Republicans

they would shoot themselves before ever admitting to being wrong about anything.

they go down with him.

rather than admit, denial and Delusion.

Its False Pride. LOL

Stupidity

makes the pubs sheeps mind go round

Denial is not just a rive in Egypt. Bush is the only hope for the GOP to keep control of the WH and they do not want to let go. The GOP is going to stick their heads in the sand and ignore all of Bush's mistakes and faults.

Gomer Pile would be a far better Commander In Chief, for valid reasons that I posted in this thread that most will never see!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1562930

Why torture the brain to go figure, when American Idol and NASCAR, are on TV?

Why fuck with thinking?

Its too hard and besides, Outta Practice.

Pump up egos with Viagra and go forth to Rape, Plunder, and Pillage in the name of Jerry and Pat! They know not their ass from a hole in the ground! MOst of the goons in those photos that were porking anything that moved were Viagra Crazed Doleist Zombies! Why because the perverts like Limpballs are constantly Blowing Into their ears!

again.

When will the Fans of this Bush Team decide Losing is not Winning?

The Bush Guys have lost every time they get the damn football. Scores reflect huge losses.

Lost Seasons 4 years in a row and its getting worse.

Many of the Stepford Pubs leaving the Stadium early as they refuse to witness the final score. BushCo 3 points Common Sense and Reality, 9687635475867.02 points.

The Bush team had a lead for Gods Sake but blew it early on.

Loyal Republicans identify with it. The richer ones, of course, like the tax cuts.

A picture is worth a thousand words and the videos to come may be worth millions. Remember these criminals have taken control under the moniker of being right wing christians. Torture is not very christian.

Its the Wrong Path towards Peace. Produces Amger, Hatred, and Redemption/Revenge. Pity our Troops as they get Captured. Especially the Women.

Go ask any Female Troops captured/raped/enslaved/etc if they ever escape/rescued what they think of Rush Limpshit who promotes this crap?

They would kill that piece of shit in a heart beat.

but my mother clings to Bush because he pretends to share her extremely limited set of black-and-white morals. And because his statements and actions support everything she was programmed to believe as a child during WWII - i.e., America is the best country in the world and everything it does is good. And people of other races are basically inferior and not to be trusted. Add everything she was programmed to believe as an adult in the Mormon church, and Bush is bulletproof in her eyes.

How in the world can she cling to the Loser? No other reasonable explanation exists.

and she searches his eyes and finds goodness. I'm not kidding.

all the time. Other factors should be viewed and considered. Especially evidence of long term tenure.

Black-and-white reductionism. Clinging to cartoonish simplistic morality.

Mass psychosis.

from: Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
By Charles MacKay

1841


"We see one nation suddenly seized, from its highest to its lowest members, with a fierce desire of military glory; another as suddenly becoming crazed upon a religious scruple, and neither of them recovering its senses until it has shed rivers of blood and sowed a harvest of groans and tears, to be reaped by its posterity."

"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
http://www.litrix.com/madraven/madne001.htm#1

that comes from years of political indoctrination from Rushblo, Faux, etc etc. They think the only way to love their country is to love Bush. Another thing is pseudo-intellectualism. They think they are so friggin' smart for being a conservative and that only they can see the truth. I've listened to some of the conservative fundies spout that 5000 yr old earth stuff and they are just full of themselves. To admit Bush is a lousy president would be to admit they are wrong, that they are not so smart after all.

Very Closed Minded they are. Very.

Utah, Texas, much of the South, the "critical mass" reinforces itself in times of doubt like this. So you see that even with all the crappy news about Iraq, (no one is pretending it's good, even here in Dallas) you still see/hear people "reinforcing" each other about shrub and in their Kerry bashing. The enthusiasm is markedly less than before, but it's still a shrub vote at this point.

mass" effect. Very much like being in a cult, where you are shielded from any outside/wrong information and ideas, and the other cult members reinforce belief and banish doubt.

in these areas. Hard challenge but every step forward is better than the steps/leaps backwards the Pubs are taking us.

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I see the phenomenon here in my home town, which is mostly fundy Republican. The ones who go to church are the most rabid * supporters.

that comes from years and years of listening to rushblo and faux. They think the only way they can love their country is to love Bush.
They couldn't imagine anyone moderate or liberal being a real american, even if he or she kept Chicago from being nuked.
Another thing is pseudo-intellectualism. They think they are so friggin' smart because they are a conservative. They believe only conservatives can see the truth in any issue. I've had the misfortune to listen to some of these 5000 year old earth fundies argue and they are just full of themselves that they can see the truth
and no one else can. To admit Bush is a lousy president would be to admit that they are wrong.

blind to reality, sad/pity

It's tough to come to the realization that what you've held to be true really isn't. So you look at this as a "temporary problem." Because Bush is still closer to what you believe ideologically than anyone else.

It's tough to look at the left as a reasonable alternative when the left has been demonized by people you used to admire, and by some you still do admire.

Some folks won't change their opinion because they just won't. Other s will vote for Bush as a "lesser of two evils". Many others still think he is right just as passionately as you think he is dangerous and misguided. Those folks you won't change. IT would be like Paul Wellstone becoming a Republican--it just wouldn't happen.

Mainly greed, though.

A lot of dems don't agree with Kerry. A lot of former Nader voters from 2000 don't want to vote for Bush OR Kerry. Though they will vote Kerry because they realize what is at stake.

Same thing for the repubs. They don't really like Bush, but sure as hell don't like Kerry either. They are thinking the same way the ABB people are. "Damn, Bush upsets me. Why hasn't he brought about armageddon yet, killed all the arabs, and made me rich? Still, I don't want that Kerry bastard in that's for sure. Guess I shouldn't vote libertarian"

Pretty simple actually. They are in the same boat the ABB people are in, just on the different side.

I suppose they enjoy the erosion of the Constitution, dirtier air, more mercury in their food, etc., etc.

Values, ethics, Moral???

it is despicable but it's true.

They love their party more than they love their country.

and Best for Us Americans. We are the "THEY" "THEM" in their Realm.

or logic to their madness. and like all cults, they will drink the kool aid without hesitation or thought.

We are so lolo for not making war on the big IG.

why my son-in-law (in Ohio) supports B*. Her answer: he thinks Dems will raise taxes.

We SERIOUSLY need to get rid of our "tax and spend" label. Democrats need to start educating Americans about the deficit and government spending and how Repukes support special interests, etc.

things in a grand manner.

The Pubs like to use this aspect to appeal to those not understanding of our basic system. And so, even while knowing cutting taxes will have a negative long term effect, they do it cause the short term effect is always rosey.

Try getting $100,000.00 from a second mortgage, Buy new clothes, new cars, new toys, vacations, look good throwing parties, etc but when the time comes

we still gatta pay the monthly bill. In the mean time, till its all repaid, interest payments are due. This is high school stuff and if we don't know it by now, then the Govt should have courses to teach it once more.

Like in Civics 101

They hate us black, brown, slanty-eyed, hip-hop, lesbian, queer, egg-headed, elitist, classless, unkempt, cappuccino-drinking, hot-tubbing, yuppie, gutter-dwelling, fancy school, elitist, godless, baby-killing, pot-smoking, politically-correct, Hillary-loving, Brie-eating, poetry-reading, foreign-speaking, Volvo-driving, bleeding-heart, over-educated, uneducated, -- did I mention baby-killing -- liberals.

in a SNEERING tone of voice, like we are Rats or worse. It has worked big time as most Psyops Propaganda shit does. We have Goodness on our Minds but they have Selfishness so they sully our Name to make themselves appealing. Its a cult gone wild.

who feeds their every need.

amen.

A pug exixting in the filter of Faux, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, et al, can go for days -- weeks, even -- without having his fearful viewpoints challenged **once**.

And at the same time, their core ideas -- war is good, peace is treasonous, corporate greed benefits everyone, religion belongs in government, etc., etc., are being reinforced constantly -- via talk radio, via right-wing cable outlets and neo-con Internet sites.

They are also specifically told repeatedly that * is a "great leader."

They are most comfortable being stuck in that media-imposed fantasy of "the-world-is-against-me" --

continue is beyond comprehension. A Nation of Minds Lost is a Lost Nation. History is a cruel Teacher.

the crazy 'my dick is bigger than your dick' white man, the 'manifest destiny/god gave this land to me' white man.
the white man's burden, the white man's white house, it's the disease of stupid white men gone mad.

We look at Good and think WEAK and Bad Meaness as GOOD?

God Help This Nation of Lost Minds.

the very thing their supposed Christian religion teaches against

decisions leading to many negative consequences.

Earth Over Heating

Resources running out

Rising Ocean Levels

Famine on the Horizon

Water shortage in many areas

Energy shortage too

Crew into Fantasy and not paying attention to assigned work.

When Clinton became President, a group of right wingers decided he was not legit...he was on the wrong side of the culture wars.

And they got worse & worse & worse till they impeached him.

Then we got Bush. Their answer to Bill clinton; the opposite of everything Clinton.

Now, Bush is a failure, & many of them know it, but they do not care.
He is still NOT BILL CLINTON.

That is why when things go wrong, they blame Clinton, even though Bush has been in charge for almost 4 years.

And this all has been brewing for years because there are 2 Americas.

They'll excuse anything so long as he's not Clinton.

Started a war? Well, he's not Clinton.

Allowed al-Qaeda to destroy the WTC? Well, he's not Clinton.

Bankrupted America with tax cuts they don't even get? Well, he's not Clinton.

He could grow a Hitler moustache, wear an armband and speak German and they'd still love him. Because? Well, he's not Clinton.

they believe(as does he) he was sent by God. They're afraid NOT to adore him. There's no accounting for religious zealots. They are dangerous.