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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:10 PM
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As it looks more like "cut and run" is the answer, what should Kerry say?
Kerry has said all along that he will stay the course in Iraq because a failed Iraq would be blah blah blah, you know the speech.

I thought that way myself for a while. I thought, unfortunately, we're in this now and we can't just screw them and leave them all in civil war. We need to set them up, fix what we've broken, etc.

But now, I'm thinking cut and run.

As each day passes and cut and run becomes the more popular and obvious choice to make... what should Kerry say?

If he changes his tune to cut & run, that would be the biggest flip-flop of all time and that would solidify his name with flip-flop. :(
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:16 PM
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1. BaghdadBurning said "Just Go"
She liked us and is intelligent, smart and funny. She wants us not there any more.

So there is that.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:17 PM
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2. "Don't go away mad. Just go away!"
:-)

Maybe I could sell bumperstickers like this in Baghdad?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:25 PM
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3. He has already said what he will do
He said he will attempt to get other countries to come into this mess and bail us out. I take him at his word that he will try. But after that, and if that does not work, I assume that he will do what is ever necessary and find an acceptable exit strategy.

Don

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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:25 PM
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4. Only 25% of US public supports U.S. immediately leaving Iraq.
For Kerry that position would be political suicide, at least at this time.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:29 PM
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6. The other 75% know what pulling out will do to their stock portfolios n/t
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:25 PM
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5. Yeah, I guess it would be a good idea.........
to completely decimate an entire country, dismantle it's government and infrastructure and then leave without trying to fix what we broke.

I'm sure that'll go over well....you convinced me.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:38 PM
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9. It worked so well for us in Haiti
Well, maybe not.

But it was cheaper anyway.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:43 PM
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11. DId you really get
your kitty to pose with a grapefruit on her head?

That is a terrific picture. I'm going to go peel an orange and find a willing critter.


MzPip
:dem:
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:53 PM
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13. No, my cats would NEVER, EVER allow me to do such a thing....
I found the picture out floating around online somewhere.

Good luck trying it on your own. :-)
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:05 PM
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15. I tried an orange
It didn't fit and now the cat is pissed. I think I need to find another cat and make the opening bigger in the orange.

MzPip
:dem:
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:09 PM
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16. If my cats are any indication........
You may need to find another cat altogether.

They hold grudges REAL well.
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:30 PM
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7. He needs to pick Clark who could bring in NATO pronto
Edited on Sun May-09-04 07:31 PM by Unknown Known
and then the UN. Without the international community in Iraq, it surely will become a civil war and threat to the world.

Get our National Guard and Reservists out of there. They should never have been put there in the first place.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:32 PM
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8. We shoudn't cut & run. We should appologize to the world for
having put shuch a dip stick in charge, but he's gone now. We need the world's help to make Iraq whole again. They will have the right to elect whatever type of government they choose and we will support their decission.

Yes, it might be a theocracy, but if that's their decision, that is OK.

I do believe if a NEW President tells the World that Shrub really screwed up, a lot of countries will help put Iraq together.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:41 PM
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10. What Clark said: "We are there at the sufferance of the Iraqi people
Edited on Sun May-09-04 07:41 PM by robbedvoter
If they want us to go, we need to go
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:49 PM
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12. Accepting a changed reality is not a flip/flop
I was against the invasion. But, once we invaded, I thought we had to stay to avoid letting the country fall into chaos. Now, I don't think our staying can accomplish anything. I think at one point we may have been able to help the Iraqis build a government. After all that's happened - I don't believe we can accomplish anything.

Kerry can accept that the situation has changed. It has been unbelievably bungled by bush. He'll be attacked if he does that; but he's going to be attacked no matter what he does. He should be able to turn this catastrophe against bush. I don't know how anyone can look at this mess and think bush has any competence; think we can risk 4 more years of this idiot.
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MajorFlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:59 PM
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14. Describing it as "cut and run" is the first mistake.
We have no business being there in the first place. It certainly doesn't appear that we are making things better, nor will we if we remain another ten years. Even shrub understands that NOBODY would want to be occupied by a foreign power, he just doesn't give a shit.

I have to believe that Kerry, who allowed his own experiences to change his previously held opinions about Vietnam, has the integrity to recognize that we don't belong in Iraq either. He still has six months and numerous bloody events before the election. I don't believe that Kerry's service in Vietnam left him with any desire to preside over a war of occupation.

Of course shrub will call him a "flip-flopper", but which is worse; changing your opinion when facts demand it, or stubbornly staying on an obviously butt-headed course. Kerry is the right person for these times; he has prepared for it all his life.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:23 PM
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17. Iraq will no doubt deteriorate even more than it already is.....


Kerry cannot make firm commitments, as long as bush* remains in the WH....and bush* is firmly in command of OUR troops as the commander-in-chief of the United States Military....including the bush* sex-torture snuff operation on POWs, sodomizing young boys, rape, murder and now, extortion.....

Kerry's doing well to step back and watch bush* in action commanding the whole sordid POW torture operation...


when Kerry assumes his position as Commander-in-Chief...he'll certainly have the best plan, and take action, and know what is going on under his command...


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:32 PM
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18. If bush is out
the world community will become more amenable to work out a solution. With this administration, I'm afaid the US is dead in the water for any real solutions or future co-operation with many nations. They have weakened us with their (admin) overreach on this one. What's worse, they have dishonored our military as well as our (civilians)honor.
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