didn't we have a war on nazi torturing bastards? didn't we win?

my memory is a bit foggy at times, with my advanced age, but it seems as if i remember we once fought a great war, and lost many, many gallant men in battle, to defeat a monstrous regime that invaded sovereign nations and oppressed and killed millions of innocent people?

or was i thinking of an old movie i saw late one night?

why would alan dershowitz, a jew, go around saying that bringing back torture, using the israeli model, is a good idea? considering that nazis said the same thing, what happened in his head to allow these two concepts in one skull?

anyone you hear trying to spin or defend the concept of torture, and still claim to love liberty and freedom, is an outright idiot. too many men died, from many, many nations, to wipe out this type of debased human activity. how did america come to the point where it can have the two notions of democracy for all, and de-regulation of torture of p.o.w.'s, under the same flag?

what country is this again? i'm having a nightmare that seems so real, that we've all morphed into nazis, utterly forgetting the lessons that they left for us to study.

Have some Victory Gin with a side of Freedom Fries. You'll feel better.

You know that BushCo was - and still is - all about appeasing - embracing - the Nazi mentality while profiteering.

Mission Demolished is very very repeatable.

and it was kind of a BIG WAR, as I understand it...

These new fascists don't even know they are fascists. That's the scariest part of this whole mess, IMHO.

At the time of WW2, the US was a racist, antisemitic nation who put its own Japanese-American civlians into concentration camps and took away all of their property. We bombed German and Japanese cities and deliberately targeted civilians for mass killings.

We haven't morphed into anything. To call Nazi Germany "monstrous" is dehumanizing them; we are just as human and capable of the same evil.

It is too bad we did not learn from history, and avoided preemptive war as Germany did with Poland, and showed respect for our fellow man instead of torturing and killing him.

But well, people are violent little apes filled with hate it seems. So that's what you get.

Not sure that is what victory looks like

California. By creating the economic conditions and then implementing extra-political actions that overthrew a democratically elected (not to mention Democrat) Governor. Now they want to change the Constitution so he *could* be eligible for the Presidency itself.

Better yet! WHY NOT create conditions that will allow for the implementation of martial law and the dissolution of the Constitution itself!! --THAT, MY FRIENDS, HAS BEEN THEIR AGENDA FOR HALF A GOD DAMNED CENTURY

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!

Edit: The yelling isn't directed at anyone in particular--just my letting off steam.

so that none will go free! They should not find it possible, having had their part in these abominable crimes, at the last minute to rally to another flag and then act as if nothing had happened!"
- from the fourth leaflet of the anti-Nazi resistance, The White Rose.

Now, meet the CIA's SS General Reinhard Gehlen


It was five years after the end of WW2 but one of Hitler's chief intelligence officers was still on the job. From a walled-in compound in Bavaria, General Reinhard Gehlen oversaw a vast network of intelligence agents spying on Russia. His top aides were Nazi zealots who had committed some of the most notorious crimes of the war. Gehlen and his SS united were hired, and swiftly became agents of the CIA when they revealed their massive records on the Soviet Union to the US.

Gehlen derived much of his information from his role in one of the most terrible atrocities of the war: the torture, interrogation and murder by starvation of some four million Soviet prisoners. Prisoners who refused to cooperate were often tortured or summarily executed. May were executed even after they had given information, while others were simply left to starve to death. As a result, Gehlend and members of his organization maneuvered to make sure they were captured by advancing American troops rather than Russians, who would have executed them immediatly.

...

General William Donovan and Allen Dulles of the CIA were tipped off about Gehlen's surrender and his offer of Russian intelligence in exchange for a job. The CIA was soon jockeyeing with military intelligence for authority over Gehlen's microfilmed records--and control of the German spymaster. Dulles arranged for a private intelligence facility in West Germany to be established, and named it the Geheln Organization. Gehlen promisd not to hire any former SS, SD, or Gestapo members; he hired them anyway, and the CIA did not stop him. Two of Gehlen's early recruits were Emil Augsburg and Dr. Franz Six, who had been part of mobile killing squads, which killed Jews, intellectuals, and Soviet partisans wherever they found them. Other early recruits included Willi Krichbaum, senior Gestapo leader for southeastern Europe, and the Gestapo chiefs of Paris and Kiel, Germany.

http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/display/20115/index.php

This ain't World War III. It's still World War II.

The intelligence agencies brought the Nazis on board because the real reason they were created in the first place--TO STEM THE THREAT OF THE WORKING CLASS REBELLION AGINST THE INDUSTRIAL ELITES--had not changed. Communism had a home base in the USSR and was threatening Europe and the United States. The HOT WWII went COLD.

WITH THE FALL OF THE USSR and no base of support for working class revolution; with over population, environmental degradation, non-renewable resource depletion and global economic destabilization--COUPLED WITH ADVANCES IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY--some within the Elite classes have apparently decided to bring about an "endgame" scenario. You are either WITH THEM or you are WITH THE TERRORISTS--all who oppose class tyranny.

And the numerous other Nazis we actively aided to get them into the CIA, space program, or South America to avoid prosecution? As soon as the war ended, we immediately employed many Nazis. Also, Operation Paperclip? So much for the moral highground.

We never really did win ww2 IMO. Much of the German economic machine was left completely in tact,and according to Paul Manning is actually run by the same entities before during and after the war. many of the Nazi's blended back into the police forces of various countries and went way low key. Manning's book "Martin Bormann, Nazi in exile" outlines how Bormann(2nd in command after Hitler) set up plans for after the defeat of Germany to funnel the Nazi spoils into 750 shell companies , many of which are well known and recognizable as the multinationals of today, It is from these corporations that the descendants can still call the shots and have reconstructed Germany's prominance.....it's a whole lot more complicated than this brief summary but the same mechanism happened with Japan. It makes a good case that instead of out right defeating them, we joined forces on the corporate level more or less.

read it online here- http://www.spitfirelist.net/manning.html