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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:06 PM
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And they're off....McClellan spinning now. Let the blame game begin!
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:08 PM
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1. When did the president learn that the Red Cross was documenting
the torture???


hmmm....


WHEN?


failure.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:12 PM
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8. McClellan: Open and transparent process...my ass...nt
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:13 PM
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9. The ABC guy (I think) kept asking
over and over "When did the Red Cross's information that there were abuses get to the White House?" "When did that information reach this building?"

McClellan twisted himself into a ridiculous pretzel in order not to answer that question. Tried to refer the reporter to the Pentagon to get that information! Never gave a clear answer. Went off on a tangent about how the U.S. stands for justice and fairness, blah, blah, blah, then went on to Dana Bash. It was ludicrous.

To the ABC guy's credit, he asked the question about four times and never got an answer.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:16 PM
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12. McClellen hasn't answered one question yet
Although he's taking full advantage of the time by dropping in talking points instead:

"Only a few individuals", etc...
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:19 PM
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But we have investigations to see if it is a systemic problem.
It is only a few individuals but it might be systemic?

I like how privacy issues may prevent these photos from being made public.

Privacy=Hide the Truth/Cover Your Ass.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:24 PM
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39. are you surprised? nt
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:18 PM
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20. thanks for the help liz...you'd think that because I'm a classical
pianist that I could type fast...but,...noooooooooooooooooooo


failure.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:21 PM
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29. ICRC reports, verbal and written, to US re:abuse, for over a year, and
Edited on Mon May-10-04 01:22 PM by pinto
McClellan says, ask the Pentagon......ABC guy did a good job of trying to get a staight answer instead of the platitudes McClellan has been preoviding.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:37 PM
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75. They're still trying to cover up the fact that Bush knew early on.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:09 PM
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2. help out us cube rats please
thanks
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:10 PM
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3. what does that mean? nt
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:11 PM
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4. We need details...we're incommunicado 'cause we're at work...
Edited on Mon May-10-04 01:11 PM by Richardo
Please feed the cube rats.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:11 PM
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7. Ohhh...ok, I get it...sorry....
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:11 PM
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5. keep posting what they/he are saying for those of us without TV/RADIO
thanks
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:11 PM
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6. People at work with no access to TV/radio. n/t
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:35 PM
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74. Means summarize for people at work (in cubes) who don't have access to TV
EOM
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:14 PM
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10. basically...
He's saying that they don't want to release pics/videos because they will interfere with bringing the guilty to justice...blah blah blah..

the most intresting thing so far:

When did the pres. know that the red cross was warning about the torture...they were voicing concerns for a year!


failure.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:16 PM
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11. A small number of individuals participated in the 'abuse'
but how many gung-ho torturers can you fit in a digital pic?


failure.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #11
28. say NO to bush*'s POW sex-torture snuff operations...NO bush*
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:18 PM
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72. A LIE: Already evidence of MANY (perhaps hundreds involved)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:16 PM
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13. The questions are on the line of...
What did the President know, when did he know it and what did he do about it?

Scotty is doing his blah, close contact with the Pentagon, blah blah, ask the Pentagon, blah, blah
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:16 PM
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14. small number... few... small number...few
same spew, different day

1000s of pics and how many videos???

lying bag of chimpshit!
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:16 PM
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15. McClellan: Pres. wants full accounting of what occured...
how will he remember all of it?

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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:16 PM
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16. Okay the press is trying to get a timeline
of who knew what. They are repeatedly asking when the WH knew that there were investigations, etc. McClellan simply will not answer. He refuses to let them put together a timeline.

You know what that means? Bush knew. He knew earlier than they're saying.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #16
67. Bush never saw pictures though
all he heard was that Prisoners were being tortured and he thought: "GOOD!"
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:17 PM
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17. McClellan keeps referring questions to the Pentagon.
Seemingly they are in charge. And Bush is apparently out of the loop.
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:26 PM
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43. Getting everyone ready for the fall-
They are waiting until all the shit hits the fan- Then and only then will Rumsfeld take the fall (Like the Puke hero he dreams of being)
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:17 PM
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did y'all hear him quote "privacy issues"???
as a reason they may not release photos? A reporter questioned him on privacy issues for who?, but he dodged, saying they would have to consult lawyers.

what a circle jerk!
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:20 PM
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24. yep...that may be the lamest thing I've ever heard...
why aren't the torturers faces blocked out?
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:22 PM
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73. That must be what the hoods are for n/t
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r_u_stuck2 Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:17 PM
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18. The press should all refuse
What if they held a White House Briefing and the press refused to show up. They are not getting anything at all of substance.

I think that would be wonderful if they just boycotted this junk.
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PragMantisT Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:29 PM
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47. That's exactly what * wants.
They would prefer making no excuses to having to keep creating excuses.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:17 PM
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19. it's not commander-in-chief bush*s fault.................it's the fault of

1. those cameras....we will take away the cameras...

2. allowing the photos to get out....we'll implement orders immediately to stop those photo leaks....the photos are presently all locked up...

3. Congress...congress should have taken action as soon as they saw our 'little' 5 line press released, that we sent out in January on a Friday afternoon at 5PM....

4. those very few 'bad apples'

5. that liberal media, who is mis-interpreting those photos...the photos are GOOD, laura bush* just said so....

6. the high-level Generals who wrote reports about POW sex-torture snuff operations...had we know they were writing such reports, we would have destroyed their careers immediately, per White House Standard Operating Procedures...

7. CBS News...many HIGH LEVEL Military Generals threatened CBS and demanded that they HIDE THE PHOTOS...our coverup operations were unsuccessful, but we continue to limit the damage by covering up more....the 1000 photos and videos and especially the AUDIO torture will not be seen by anyone...AND we are currently working on reasons for this coverup...with special thanks to Virginia Senator john warner, who stamped all the photos/videos/audios "TOP SECRET" and has them locking in a special room in the Senate...
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. We're currently investigating whether Clinton's penis was one of
the photographers...


failure.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:20 PM
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22. ya notice
scottie always turns to Les when he tries to get his ass out of answering the hard questions?
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:21 PM
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26. that's cuz he's a pu$$y...nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:20 PM
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23. Bush not looking at this as to how to spin it
politically... YEAH RIGHT...

And as the grilling gets tougher CNN breaks away from it...

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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. figures...gotta pay the piper....nt
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:20 PM
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25. looks like Rove made a call
Edited on Mon May-10-04 01:21 PM by nostamj
they cut it off!

on edit: still on C-Span1
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:21 PM
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27. CNN cuts away
says they will keep monitoring the briefing for "potential news"! I thinks it's pretty damn newsworthy that McClellan either can't or won't answer one single question about this scandal.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:23 PM
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34. Here:
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
38. on CSPAN...
"terrorists and thugs" he says...who?


failure..
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:22 PM
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31. WHY DON'T THE REPORTERS REQUEST THAT McClelland
stop spouting the pap about Free and happy Iraq, Free, happy, loving Iraq, Free, Happy, flower throwing Iraqis. He uses all the time repeating the same crap and then there is no time for questions.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:23 PM
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32. The small few do not represent the "vast majority" of soldiers...
what about medium sized majority...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:23 PM
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33. Ah the few bad apples line again
Thanks Scott, we know the spew

Have I noticed a change in the press corp? When did the President know it, when did he know it?

Ah now the Damage congrol plan being exposed

Our actions, yes right Scottie

Is he breaking a sweat?
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:23 PM
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35. Some old fart asks Scottie if the photos were staged and first
showed up on a porno site on the internet.

Scottie sez that "the president is aware that THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM will try anyhting to discredit bush...blah...blah...blah."

I turned it off at that point and went to AAR.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:24 PM
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37. Who was the dude asking the softball question about
the "Worldnet Daily" report about the fake rape pics from porno sites? Was that guy FROM Worldnet Daily? I had the impression that those photos, and guys asking questions like this, were invented on purpose to create doubt about the veracity of the NONFAKED photos.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #37
40. probably...you know the WH always stacks the deck...nt
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:25 PM
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41. did anyone else see this?
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/08/national/08PRIS.html?pagewanted=2&hp

Ashcroft was the one (since when was he supposed to be involved with foreign affairs anyway?) who chose the private contractor to go and set up the prison even though that contractor was under investigation for abuses!!
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:26 PM
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42. Who are the "thugs and murderers" nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:27 PM
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44. Ah destroy the jail
a scene of a crime...

loyalty to staff... BS... where is the line drawn between loyalty and effectiveness? Is this about loyalty or his judge

Ah scotty spins....

Would bush accept his resignation?

Scotty has never been contemplated... heads need to roll...
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:28 PM
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45. Who is this BALD GUY???
Edited on Mon May-10-04 01:29 PM by Failure
on edit: He asked when the american people will see photographic evidence of Saddam's Rape rooms and torture chambers...(instead of the one's we're running)
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #45
49. Someone planted by Rove, I have no doubt!
He has the talking points down perfectly.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. he actually did ask when the American people would see
evidence of Saddam's rape-rooms and torture chambers?


he did right?


failure.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #52
57. Yep, he sure did...
it is surreal that the line is going to be: We might be bad but so was Saddam, geez, unbelievable!
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #57
66. It feels like a dream within a dream...or a nightmare within a dream.nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. Ah that resignation again
damn them!

Oh and that pesky ICRC resport and standard procedure by MI...

Goes up the command chain... WHOOHOO

Go to the Pentagon Scott's body language is telling he is stiff and hilding the lectern, he looks angry
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:06 PM
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69. He's always there. Jeff Gannon from the fictitious Talon News Service
Which, despite purporting to provide news to web sites, as far as I can tell serves only one purpose--to be an escape hatch for Scott to use when the other hoes are piling on.

When things get hot, Scotty'll also go to Baltimore wing nut radio host Les Kinsolving who will ask a question about whether the president agrees with a liberal-sounding statement made by some undersecretary at the forest service, or to some guy named Goyle who invariably asks an almost unintelligible question about some arcane India-related foreign policy matter.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #69
71. In A Sad Way It's Comic Relief
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. thanks....I'll watch for them next time...nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:29 PM
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46. But scotty the only reason this is
coming to light is because of sly hersh, you guys are pissed that the photos even made it to the web... ah, now the connection with Hussein, we are not that bad folks....

Pass the puke bucket
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:29 PM
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48. Good Q: "Is this about loyalty? or about Rumsfeld's effectiveness?"
McClellen spins it away, calling Rumsfeld 'most effective', yada, yada.

It seemed like the reporter had caught on to the 'loyalty' factor in the Bush administration (ie., you don't get fired for incompetence -- only for disloyalty to the Bushes -- just like on the Sopranos).
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:30 PM
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50. McClellan: Pres. wants swift justice...
Is that why he sat on this for a year while the red cross complained?


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #50
54. He also wanted swift justice in the Plame Afair
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:33 PM
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55. And he BAILS FAST, he looked angry
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #54
59. look where that is now....dead as one of my threads...nt
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:50 PM
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68. LOL
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:32 PM
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53. So the spin is our torture wasn't as bad as Saddam's torture?
The people he killed are more dead than the prisoners we killed?

Man alive, we "liberated" the Iraqis so we could torture with attack dogs who have had their rabies vaccinations rather than those dirty old dogs of Saddam's who hadn't even had their shots. We really are morally superior.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #53
56. That's what the Bald ass reporter was getting at...did you see him?
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #56
70. pls. see post 69 n/t
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:34 PM
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58. What was that last thing about The Syrian _____Act??? help?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. That it will pass
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #61
64. what's it called? have you heard of it? nt
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:36 PM
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63. Syrian accountability act. Sanctions against Syria. n/t
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. Oh great...nt
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:35 PM
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60. What was up With Scotties Tie?
Is this a new tactic? Hypnotizing the press corps with psychedlic ties?
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. I was trippin' so I didn't see it...nt
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:34 PM
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77. THAT'S IT??????
Headline: "McClellan Refuses to Answer Questions About ANYTHING"

Should the headline be:'BUSH KNEW AND DID NOTHING"?

Why don't the reporters walk out when McClellan refuses to answer any question?
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