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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:57 PM
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Rush Limbaugh an excellent illustration of why the photos need to be
released. Too easy for people to be deceived or deny the truth otherwise. Read transcript below. He is either lying outright (my bet), since the "dog man" in the photo DID GET MAULED, or is so careless that he does no research whatsoever on it (possible but much less likely).

From Today's Rush Limbaugh Program.... (I didn't listen to it but Junkdrawer put up a transcript on another thread)

RUSH: Look, folks, let's just cut to the chase here, okay? I've been trying to very slowly and gently maneuver all of you into now. Here's cut-to-the-chase time. We all know what goes on in war. We all know that what's in these pictures we've seen -- and we haven't seen pictures of death -- even this latest picture of the dog and the nude Iraqi, have you seen that one? A couple of Americans are holding it looks like a German shepherd, some kind of vicious big dog, dogs are barking, bow-wow (barking sounds), the Iraqi prisoner is cowering there in fear, he's all nude, and the picture captions "dogs attack Iraqi". No, the dog isn't attacking anybody, the dog is on a leash. The dog is scaring an Iraqi prisoner. (Gasping.) No! We're scaring them, too. Is that allowed in the Geneva Convention? We're scaring them with dogs?

Yes, my friends, we are. The dog didn't attack anybody, dog's not the attacking anybody, dog is on a leash, both of them are. I've seen the picture. So, yeah, I mean I'd be scared too if I were nude and I'd been committing crimes against Americans, now the Americans have me in their prison and a couple of dogs barking at me? Yeah, I might be a little scared. So what? It's war! We all know what goes on in war. And here's what's happened. And I don't know how many of you are part of this group. I'm not part of this group, but there are a significant number of Americans -- let's leave the press and the Dems out of this because they're acting political here, they're acting and so are a lot of people, a lot of people are acting. They have to act outraged and surprised because that's what you think is expected of you.

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:00 PM
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1. Go look at these photos!
Edited on Mon May-10-04 08:00 PM by Hubert Flottz
They break my heart! I'm kind of over the mad part and into the HATE stage now! Filthy Pigs!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1568101
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:09 PM
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are those new? nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:00 PM
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2. Yep..without releasing the pictures, far too many will deny
they exist and deny they contain torture..

and that comfy little cushion needs to be yanked out from under them

........the truth can be a hard landing..and it needs to be.

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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:00 PM
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3. And the next paragraph is even more disturbing....
How many of you went out to social occasions over the weekend, and this subject, this story came up? And how many of you wanted to really say, "I don't see the big deal here. This is war. These are people that tried to kill Americans." But you didn't say it or some variation of that because you were afraid that you were the bunch of people would start yelling at you for being insensitive or coarse or crude or whatever. So you said what you thought you had to say in order to get along during the controversial situation that this conversation came up wherever you were. How many of you did that? Admit it to yourself. You don't have to raise your hands out there. We're not counting hands here. I want you to think about it. Because the fact of the matter is that's what I think most people are doing. This is where my optimism and faith in people of this country remains steadfast. I don't think most people are that outraged by it. Let's put it this way, the public outrage nowhere near matches what we watched on television on Friday and yesterday. Exhibited by these holier-than-thou sanctimonious elected officials who are themselves acting and saying what they think you, their voters, want them to say, and what you their voters expect to hear.

In other words, if you're outraged, you're a lying liberal.

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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:08 PM
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6. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!
Is that what Rush says?!?!?!!?!?

I can't believe it. I just can't believe it. I NEVER could have imagined that the propaganda machine would do it. I suppose I should have. I should have known that Rush would say anything----ANYTHING to protect the Reich.

I don't know why I'm so shocked, but I am.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:28 PM
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34. But his program is broadcast to the soldiers in Iraq. Can you see
the mentality of the Bush* administration?
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:10 PM
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8. These are not people who tried to kill americans...most of them
were swept up in intelligence ops, and were deemed not a threat to society, nonviolent.

Rush is lying, just like he always does.


failure.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:53 PM
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29. 90% of captured Iraqi prisoners shown to be innocent...
Even CNN got this one right and were discussing it all day today. You're right about the intelligence ops sweep. Most of those poor miserable people in that prison really shouldn't have been taken there in the first place... much less mistreated as they were! :grr: :mad:
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:25 PM
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33. let's face it...bush intelligence, whether you're talking about it
Literally, or like in the CIA, or like on WMD's


is non-existant.


failure.
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DemosthenesOfTheWest Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:16 PM
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11. Of course, if we really followed his logic Bush isn't really disgusted,
or outraged. That would make him 'holier-then-thou.' So, this is just an embarrassing little show he has to put on to pamper the 'media elites.'
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:21 PM
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13. You know, I thought exactly the same thing this afternoon...
Actually, I screamed "Yeah, someone is feigning shock, you lying piece of shit. And we all know who that is" into the radio at the car wash.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:53 PM
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28. "holier-than-thou sanctimonious elected officials"
I guess the Chimp would be one of these, according to Rush (if the Chimp had been elected, that is).
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:32 PM
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40. didn't we used to say "Bush could be videotaped fucking a goat ....."
on the 50 yard line of the superbowl .... and his supporters would still support him?

I know I said that more than once.

This is the proof.

And yes, I agree we need all the pictures to come out to show everybody the shame that is Rush Limbaugh
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:01 PM
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4. Yes Rush, tell us of your expertise with war
You fat chickenhawk piece of shit!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:24 PM
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16. That jumped out at me as well.
"We all know about war." Lying POS. More like the war on truth that he's fighting.
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Sir Craig Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:08 PM
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5. Limbaugh has long been on my list...

...of people that, if I ever meet them in a professional setting (my job has VIPs sometimes showing up - we get to do "show-and-tells" with our aircraft), I would make very plain that he should go f*ck himself.

I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if that candyass ever found himself in a similar situation, he would literally piss and shit himself and cry like the world's biggest baby.

And if pictures or video was taken of it and shown to the world, he would claim they were fakes.

Limbaugh is slime, and I have no doubt that once the Democrats take control of the White house after this November he'll do his "America Under Seige" crap like he did when Clinton was president.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:09 PM
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7. I think it's the latter
Rush is only a fraction as smart as he likes to pretend, and while he's good at twisting facts, he is otherwise intellectually lazy. He skims the surface of things, and doesn't ever really say anything of substance.

I keep wondering how he'll spin it when the story about our soldiers filming the rape of Iraqi boys by Iraqi guards comes out big time. Those who filmed participated in a war crime, by definition.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:15 PM
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10. I disagree. He's a highly paid propagandist -- doing Goebbels proud.
He is a well-connected operative for the fascist takeover of the Republic -- bidding all his uneducated, bigoted listeners to be "good Germans".

sw
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:26 PM
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17. Say...Goebbels was a dope fiend..when was Rush born?....
and when did Goebbels die? Hmmmmmm....
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:12 PM
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9. 70-90% Abu Ghraib prisoners are innocent civilians.
So he's lying about that, too.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:30 PM
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21. This was reported by the Red Cross
It's important to keep this in mind. The complete criminality of this war has been hidden from view from most Americans until now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15492-2004May10.html

"In a report issued in February, the Red Cross stated that some military intelligence officers estimated 70 percent to 90 percent of "the persons deprived of their liberty in Iraq had been arrested by mistake."
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:20 PM
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12. after the break he made a correction, someone told him he was wrong
Edited on Mon May-10-04 08:21 PM by SheepyMcSheepster
someone in the studio gave el rushbo a quick current events update and rush said that he had found out that later pictures show the iraqi with dog bitten leg(s) on the floor with pools of blood.

but he still carried on about how it is war and whatnot, about how every person in that prison is a terrorist. i wonder how long he can keep up being an apologist for this inhumanity.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:21 PM
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14. Limbaugh is America's Goebbels.
Nothing but fascist propaganda.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:23 PM
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15. I didn't think it was possible for me to hate Limbaugh more...
...than I already did after being subjected to him against my will by my father.

Holy shit! He is one fucked-up mofo.
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:29 PM
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20. It is even scarier when you realize that he is just one step away from
saying that it is OK to do this to liberals because they
hate America. Softening people up so if these folks do
shoehorn their way back in that they can take even stronger
measures against those who disagree. My two cents and maybe a little over the top but these are some scary motherscratchers.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:36 PM
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25. That's the last refuge...
When it becomes impossible for the liars to pretend they "didn't know" or "we knew, but we didn't see the pictures", the last refuge is, after the next 'terra attack, "see, you see why we had to do that".
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GOPFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:27 PM
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18. Sorry, it won't change a thing...
I contend there are a lot of people out there who are not only NOT troubled by this, but are silently cheering those who humiliated the Iraqis. To be honest, they have always been around, no matter what war we've been involved in. They have a deep-seated need to hate, to find someone lower than their own self-loathing. What is different is that we now have someone considered to be a respected voice in American politics, someone who has played golf with Roger Clemens in the Buick Open, actually telling America THIS IS OK! THEY TRIED TO KILL AMERICANS SO IT'S OK.

Those pictures of American troops torturing and humiliating Iraqis made me heartsick, it gutted me. But to find American "leaders" with millions of devoted listeners, giving the thumbs up to this motherf*cking behavior is more than I can stomach. Rush should be tarred and feathered!

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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:27 PM
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19. But The Dogs DID Attack That Prisoner, Rush... The NEXT Photos Prove It
Edited on Mon May-10-04 08:48 PM by arwalden
... the next photos in that sequence show him lying on the floor... wounded from the dog attack with his blood all over the floor.

Rush is a sack of pig shit.

-- Allen
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:33 PM
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22. You're absolute right...Seymour Hersch told the BBC tonight...
...that is exactly what the next picture, which he has seen, shows. You're right about Rush, too.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:33 PM
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23. Nope. He's a LYING sack of pig shit.
You should have heard the smarmy, smug bastard. You could tell he knew the score and was hoping his audience didn't.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:34 PM
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24. Yeah, the poor civilian got bit to the point of BLEEDING
and thats not torture?

Rush is a Hate Monger. He knows not the damage he is doing by promoting Hate in America and throughout the ME. He is one of the reasons Bush is in Power. He should be branded for what he is, a leader in the taking down of America... leading Americans down the Hate Road. It is very Counter Productive this path, very.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:39 PM
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26. ...with half his brain destroyed by drugs, just to make it fair!
:evilgrin:
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:43 PM
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27. I hold Limbaugh personally responsible for it ALL
Seriously, I do. He is the one that taught our country to hate in a way it had never hated before. He built this mentality and Bush gave it it's full birth when he took office. How many of these GI's or their officers have had Limbaugh shit pumped into them for years? How many think that this is what being a real Amurekan is. He created this culture. These people didn't break under combat. They weren't in combat. They did it because it's the Freeper mentality...the mentality Limbaugh created in this nation. And which is well on it's way to destroying this nation. God, we have one self absorbed little stupid prick in the WH playing CIC and one fatassed social outcast sitting in the dark and getting his jollies off by hissing hate all day long. Stuff like that finally brings suffering to a country.
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Oddman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:56 PM
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30. What a complete loser
The drugs have rotted what little brain he had . . .



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Cogito ergo doleo Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:01 PM
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31. He has no conscience
He can only view the world from his own experience and cannot imagine other's anguish over this, because he cannot imagine his own. With each effort to minimize the torture inflicted on the Iraqis he announces to the world how weak he is. Clear Channel ought to pull the plug on this putz.
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salonghorn70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:22 PM
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32. How Can Any Of You Really Be Shocked At Rush?
How can you be? You knew this is the stand that he would take. Its not that he has really given any thought to what kind of conduct should be allowed in war. His mission is to defend right wing Republicans including Bush. If this had happened when Clinton was President, Rush would be outraged that the military had been reduced to this and would be calling for Clinton's impeachment. I am looking forward to see how he defends the rape.
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DemosthenesOfTheWest Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:32 PM
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38. Indeed, the DU "What will Rush say on Monday" thread,
could have been handed to him as today's script. I can do a better Rush then Rush, even without the drug induced brain damage.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:29 PM
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35. Rush is akin to a holocaust denier
And as we are kept further away from the reality of the torture, we can deny it ever happened.

All pictures and videos RELEASED NOW!!!!
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The Lone Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:31 PM
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36. How would Limp-balls know what goes on in war?
Last I heard he escaped combat because he had a boil on his fat ass!
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:38 PM
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39. Boy, Rush is a tough stud now that his ass boil has popped....
It's really easy for mushy butt Rush to act all tough when he's
never put himself in a position of having to fight for anything.
He's the worst kind of coward.

And frankly, Rush knows he's a coward. Deep down inside the man
hates himself. That's why he got addicted to narcotics and
why he promotes this "larger than life" image of such
swaggering cocksure arrongance. He's a weak, pathetic fool and
he knows it. He can't overcome it.

He's the barking dog in the photos and is a stooge for callous
evil.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:23 AM
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41. ^^^^^ Read this one Rushie ^^^^^^^
He's been known to luke here...
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