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CastorTroy Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:32 PM
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RAGE: "14-year-old Iraqi with a broken arm being hurled to the ground . .
and then mocked by U.S. soldiers as the boy wept and wet himself in the prison intake center."

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/democrat/news/nation/8629607.htm


Is this what my tax dollars pay for?

Of all the news and commentary that I've read regarding our invasion and occupation of Iraq NOTHING touched me like that sentence above. A wave of revulsion shot through me as I imagined something like this happening to my newborn son.

We are the good guys, right?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:35 PM
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1. I'm so glad "President" Bush restored discipline to the military
This will all make for a damming movie someday. Our allies in Hollywood are going to have a lot of fun with this one :evilgrin:

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:35 PM
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2. "honor and integrity"
:puke:
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:37 PM
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3. Have Amnesty Int'l do another US campaign or an Iraq campaign and
let the fun begin. :)
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:38 PM
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4. How much do ya wanna bet
Edited on Mon May-10-04 09:39 PM by HooptieWagon
that boy is an al Qaeda member by 16 and a suicide bomber by 18?
The Chimp and his cabinet of delusional neocons sure have made us safer. <dripping sarcasm>

edit: corrected spelling
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CharlesGroce Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:39 PM
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6. actually
Al Queda isn't in Iraq. He probably just wants to go home.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:41 PM
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8. Well, they [i]weren't[/i]
until recently.
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Eureka Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:44 PM
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11. Indeed
as a former Aus Foreign Minister said

"The Iraq War has been the most costly and most effective terrorist recruiting campaign in history"

The American populace will, unfortunately and for many undeservedly, reap the fruits of the pretend presidents labors for many years to come.

Welcome to DU, HooptieWagon

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CharlesGroce Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:38 PM
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5. We must leave Iraq
and if John Kerry can't figure it out by the convention, then he shouldn't be our candidate.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:00 PM
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14. Kucinich is still in the race last I heard
and I know he has always been against the war and wants the U.S. out of Iraq and the U.N. in.

He seems to be the only other candidate I can see that fits this criteria.

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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:39 PM
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7. So they keep telling us.
I'm getting a severe case of outrage overload at all of this. This administration, to a man, must go. And soon.
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AussieInCA Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:42 PM
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9. SO Rush going to be an apologist for child abuse next? child rape too?
he is such a sick piece of shit. If Rush want's to lie his ass off that is enough reason to get the rape photos, blood stained walls, and sadistic photos out.
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CastorTroy Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:12 PM
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17. It's the "little blues" talking . . .
Bush's so-called "national treasure" suffers no shortage of revolting things to say when it comes to toeing the company line.

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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:43 PM
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10. Does anyone else remember
When the rare white tiger was shot and killed in the zoo after it attacked (drunk) soldiers who were taunting it?

Anyone here take a basic psychology course where they teach you serial killers mutilate animals before moving onto humans?

I think a coorelation can be made from our soldiers being allowed to treat Iraq as their playground and the escalation of abuse from Saddam's army to Iraq artifacts (the buildings, museums, zoos) to Iraqi citizens.

Our soldiers were given PLAYING CARDS of the most wanted--telling them "This is a game--find teh Ace of Spades!" They were given LITTLE training on the cultural differences, languages, history and NO TRAINING on humanatarian treatment for prisoners of war.

And what did the man in charge (RUMSFIELD) say "These aren't POWs, the laws don't apply".
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:48 PM
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12. Here's an amazing quote from the article:
Edited on Mon May-10-04 09:49 PM by familydoctor
You get a burning in your stomach, a rush, a feeling of hot lead running through your veins, and you get a sense of power," Strong said. "Imagine wearing point-blank body armor, an M-16 and all the power in the world, and the authority of God. That power is very addictive.
---

I think we can thank Bush for the "authority of God" part.
Not that he invented it, but he sure helped bring it back
to its full glory.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:54 PM
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13. "... because we're Americans, you can do whatever you want."
"The thing with the soldiers there, they think because we're Americans, you can do whatever you want," said Spc. Ramon Leal, 25, of San Jose, Calif."

- This sort of attitude of superiority comes from the 'bring em on' CIC, George II.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:03 PM
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15. That's the Israeli school of detainee management.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:11 PM
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16. Hate to tell you but your tax $ have been paying 4 young boys pissing
Edited on Mon May-10-04 11:08 PM by Tinoire
in their pants and crying for a long time. The emasculation of the Arab world for blue-eyed colonialism.

This was sequestered away in the I/P forum where only the brave dared to tread. The photo is courtesy of Little Green Footballs where this type of stuff "arouses" them. Year 2002.

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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:53 PM
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22. Makes you proud doesn't it?
:puke:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:14 PM
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27. Just sent this post around to my usual group of people. There's one
especially that used to send me the rah-rah go bush* crap until I started to bombard her with articles and evidence that she can't refute. I still consider her a friend, but I sure as hell don't get anymore of that crap anymore. She's generally a pretty reasonable person,I wonder if she's still as rabid pro-bush as she used to be. I've never asked, but I sure am tempted.

That was a really strong picture and article, thanks for posting it.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:37 AM
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32. Yeah exactly
this stuff didn't start with Bush, and it won't end with him. Its going to take a much much wider cultural shift, and I am not so sure anyone is ready for that.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:24 PM
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18. Apparently not..........
sadly. As someone who just broke their arm, I feel for the kid. It isn't a pleasant situation under any conditions. But when you're in hell when you break it, I cannot imagine the pain. I almost hate these people. I hate them for making me hate them.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:38 PM
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19. i m sure the baby massacre is next...
we re only inches away from being scum...with a cretin president!!
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:51 PM
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20. "We are the good guys, right?"
Apparently not.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:52 PM
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21. Have we built new mass graves yet?
Jesus fucking christ.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:00 PM
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24. Fallujah soccer field
100s from our "Operation Righteous Merc Revenge"
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:17 AM
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33. Fallujah Martyrs' Cemetary
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 10:59 PM
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23. Local police have become the most brutal ever...in the US..
Now they wear all the military gear to intimidate citizens. The G8 in Seattle was a dissaster caused by the same tactics adopted from the military guidelines. All the demonstrations against the war, the police have been brutal and abusive. We all saw on TV a cop throw a 70 year old woman to the ground and handcuffed. We're not free. We all live in a big bubble of a prison. A prison ordered by bush and criminals, in the name of the Patriot Act.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:06 PM
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25. What happens when the U.S. is placed under marshal law?
Will our soldiers treat American men, women, and children the same way that wounded 14 year-old was treated? Would they beat, rape, and kill the very same people they enlisted to protect?

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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:15 PM
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28. Well...we are members of the Democratic "Underground"...
Viva la Resistance.

JB
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:36 PM
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30. Vivat res novam!
:headbang:
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:13 PM
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26. This is what happens when individuals are dehumanized...
What happened in that prison is no big surprise when you have the President and neocons referring to Iraqis as "killers", "dark skinned", or "haters of freedom."

Bush is doing the same for Arabic individuals that Hitler did for the Jews. It's not hard for people to hurt another human being when caught up in the moment and combined with a belief that these people are somehow different or beneath concern.

I'VE NEVER BEEN SO ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN.

JB
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 11:33 PM
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29. not just
"Is this what my tax dollars pay for?"

your taxes also pay for corporate welfare, advertising and drug and arms dealing.

sorry - V cynical mood today
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:28 AM
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31. Yes - this creates terrorists
The Iraq war has created terrorists. These pictures of Iraqis in compromising positions in US run prisons has made Al Qaeda applications skyrocket.

Of course there is another dynamic at work here as well:

I posted this on Free Republic, but was quickly banned and had the thread pulled because they knew my IP address. I am responding to someone who made the first quotation:


“You're talking about societies where the women are practically quarantined. And then people wonder why their young unmarried men are so damn angry.....”


BINGO!

The unmarried men of these societies are cooped up and have no relations at all with women outside their families for the most part. I am sure that would make me a violent person in a relatively short period of time too! LOL

I was in Egypt with a friend of mine from high school who is of Egyptian descent (He is a staunch supporter of the Iraq war BTW which i find odd). While there, I met some of his cousins. The first one I met is very very liberal. He is totally secular nad does not take islam seriously whatsoever. He married an Italian woman and they live together in Cairo. He even did the UNTHINKABLE – He lived with her for three years before getting married! When he speaks about the Islamic fundamentalists that are in Egypt, he has this incredulous look on his face – it is of total disbelief that these islamofascists could be so devoid of logic. He was actually college educated in Britain and has many Western views. However, this one cousin told us something about some of the young Islamic women. He suggested we go out and try to hook up with some of them. I told him that it would be impossible with them being so religious and all of them wearing their scarves to prove it. He said to me, “Don’t be fooled by the scarf!” LOL – Now I had a challenge placed before me. I love a challenge. I told my friend from HS about this – and he said “REALLY??!?!?!!” The cousin said that all the girls have to wear the scarf or their parents will freak out if they see them leaving the house. So they wear it – but some of them are “bad” (thank god for “bad” women) and go out and have drinks and smoke hashish and have sex – a very slim minority – maybe 1% - but they exist! So we made it our goal to hook up with a “Scarfgirl” – we never succeeded, but it was fun trying. My friend came a lot closer than I did because he speaks Arabic, but unfortunately the girl just wanted to introduce him to the family as a potential future husband, etc etc etc – not the intended goal to say the least!

Then in Alexandria, I met another of his cousins – this guy is a hardcore conservative there. He takes islam VERY seriously – he talks of killing his future wife if he finds out that she had been “opened” before him. – meaning not a virgin of course. When, on the news it was reported that an American was killed in Iraq, he said, “Praise the lord.” This infuriated me, but of course, I had to keep quiet for the sake of my friend and his father. I eventually had a long discussion with this guy late at night when everyone went to bed – I tried to avoid it, but it came anyway. He wanted to discuss religion and politics – those are the two topics you want to avoid at ALL COSTS over there, but I got sucked in. Needless to say, we were both communicating with walls, but the conversation was at least calm and did not become a shouting match. I told him that killing civilians is horribly wrong and that terrorists need to fidn a better way to get their point across in the PR department. I tried to tell him about Ghandi etc. I at least mentioned how Bush is probably the worst president we ever had.

My friend’s father is very liberal over there too. He has abandoned his religion and complains about how the conservative muslims have corrupted their religion with their fundamentalist views. (His wife unfortunately passed away a couple years ago and he retired back to Egypt where his $200K per year feels more like $1M over there – he rents a 3000 sq ft apartment with a great deal of luxury for $500/mo!). My friend, his cousin, and his father have a lot of exposure to the West AND Westerners. The one cousin who had limited exposure to the West, had a lot less money and (a result of which is that he takes his religion too seriously) was a hater. So, very often those muslims that are educated in the West AND who fraternize with regular Americans (or wherever they are) can be very reasonable people.

Anyway, I traveled the length of the Nile within Egypt. It was a beautiful place and the history awesome. Ancient Egypt is so full of fascinations – and the amount of things from the ancient culture that still exist to this day is tremendous – you can spend weeks in the Cairo museum without seeing everything I think. The temples at Luxor are wonderful and I could spend days there. There is so much that amazed me. People were friendly. They loved Americans, but hated George Bush and his policy. I avoided all discussions of politics and religion with everyone else I met, but some could not help but to share their views. I usually would just smile and nod and change the subject (I do agree that Bush is no good, but eventually they will want to talk about religion too). They do look up to the West in a lot of ways. They truly admire our innovative and pioneering ways. They admire our work ethic. They really want to emulate us in that way. They have tremendous respect for us in some ways and they do not all hate us. It is much easier to hate groups of people than it is to hate individuals – it is so true. Many people there can learn from that statement alone (here too - meaning FR since this was where I posted originally - I never found out if they got the hint).

After three weeks in Egypt and seeing very few women who were not covered (all the tourists were old or married) or single, I was feeling very deprived of companionship – I was even deprived of the site of a beautiful women with the damn conservative style of dress that the muslims have! I then flew from Aswan (in the south) to a Western resort called Sharm-al-Sheikh on the southern tip of the Sinai peninsula by the Red Sea (The best diving spot in the world IMO – I also climbed Mt Sinai and decided that Moses was not talking to god as the bible thumpers say - he was looking for a clear view so he could find a good way out of the damn place!!). Even the average looking women in their bikinis (Western of course) were STUNNINGLY beautiful by the time I got there and that only took me three weeks to be frothing at the mouth! These poor fools living in those countries have been enduring that lack of companionship for 20+ years. This can certainly create violence – No doubt about it. I know I get very grouchy after a month without “companionship.” After two years, I could probably take on three marines single-handedly and easily win! After 20+ for those guys??

That creates terrorists.


After Egypt, I boarded a plane for Thailand and then to Cambodia and Vietnam. In those countries you have the opposite challenge - try not to be with a woman. After my experience in Egypt with the opposite sex, I failed miserably at the new challenge as well. The world is wonderful and I hope to see all of it! 35 countries and counting!
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LetThemEatWar Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:01 AM
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34. ugh
fucking nazis. I am so ashamed.
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