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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:28 PM
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A wave of fear -- I'm reaching out to DUers here
A wave of fear just came over me. I'm at work and I walked into the lab. Asked my coworker if he'd heard about the latest news - the staged beheading of mr. Berg.

The response was laughter. He mockingly made a joke saying, "Oh my God! Naked Iraqis in the prison!"

I was stunned and responded almost inarticulately about the hypocracy of the American invasion using the excuse of bringing freedom to Iraq.

He smiled and said, "What hypocracy?"

I am silenced. Am I losing my mind? What kind of brute, numbed out, cultlike spirit has taken over our country where up is down, and horror is ordinary? America is gone. Fuck!

I'm at the edge of tears. Am I insane for even giving a shit?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:29 PM
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1. No, you're salvaging your humanity, your soul
These other soulless f&#*s are the reason things are so f$#*'ed up these days.

Never ever say 'it can't happen here'.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:30 PM
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2. your co-worker is bloodthirsty
and should be over there matching action to words... makes me think it's just more of the glamour of Bush's aggro macho bullshit

it makes many American males suddenly feel "adequate"

:puke:
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:33 PM
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3. "Glad it wasn't your son, brother, father."

It's that "lack of empathy" thing again. These people are
insane.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:34 PM
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4. Look on the bright side....
Edited on Tue May-11-04 03:35 PM by Lars39
at least you know who to keep an eye on if the shyte hits the fan.
:eyes: :scared:

You are sane, he is sociopathic or something. :hug:
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:34 PM
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5. Alien invasion
I swear sometimes I feel like I stepped into a 50's sci-fi. Wasn't it Invasion of the Body Snatchers that had the aliens stepping into human bodies. It just gets curiouser and curiouser. I think anger is our only defense left. Stay safe
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:35 PM
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6. Ask your co-worker if he takes Ambien to help him sleep.
Just curious, after reading about it on a DU thread the other day. Supposedly it doesn't allow REM sleep, lack of which has been linked to psychosis.
More and more Americans are waking up every day. Keep your chin up!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:37 PM
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8. Colin Powell says he takes Ambien
Edited on Tue May-11-04 03:39 PM by SpiralHawk
And once made a statement (see some ancient archived DU thread) that Ambien was heavily used by others in the BushCo appointed administration.

Here's a link to the Powell/Ambien story:
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/004355.html

"Yes. Well, I wouldn't call them that," Powell said. "They're a wonderful medication -- not medication. How would you call it? They're called Ambien, which is very good. You don't use Ambien? Everybody here uses Ambien."
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:35 PM
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7. it's called bein'.....desensitized....
....and it's a phenomenon of *biblical* perportions as of late. :evilfrown:
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:39 PM
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9. When the world's upside down, the price of a conscience can be steep,
but keeping it is priceless.

Apologies if that evokes a MasterCard commercial. :)

Anyway, hold on with us. In some ways, and wherever we are, we're all fighting the madness. Maintaining our sanity is not a little victory.

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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:39 PM
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10. No I feel something similar, sort of a depression
I almost want to tune out all of this.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:40 PM
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11. Stepford country
Edited on Tue May-11-04 03:41 PM by chimpsrsmarter
thats what they'd like. Let us do the thinkin' and the cipherin', dont you worry none thangs is gonna be fine.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:40 PM
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12. All I can say is
I'm scared too.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:41 PM
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13. No, Jokerman. You are eminently sane.
And as it was for Stalin, Hitler, Ferd Marcos, Pinochet and other Tyrants like Bush throughout history, that makes you Enemy #1, along with the intellectuals, who are despised for being "Society's Bullshit Detectors".

Again, Hitler, Stalin, Marcos, Pinochet, Bush have all had the same feelings, though not all were able to respond as they would haveliked to, especially Bush.

We all go through these periods of depression and pain. Be strong, weather the storm, and pick yourself up again tomorrow.

For every Nazi Bushevik Monster, there are TWO Free Americans who WANT to be awakened. Seek them out. Talk to them.

And go find your nearest Kerry Meetup, if you haven't already. Nothing is a Balm for Tyranny like DOING SOMETHING, HOWEVER SMALL, to oppose that Tyranny.

It all starts here:

www.johnkerry.com

We might actually win this thing. We might actually provide Kerry with enough of a landslide victory (10% is what he needs, IMHO) that he "wins" by 0.05%.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:50 PM
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14. Hug your kids, hug your spouse, hug your friends
I don't know what else to do.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:52 PM
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15. You can thank the enemy of the people -- Rush Limbaugh -- for this
If it weren't for him, I don't think anybody would feel this way. Seriously.

I'd better get off DU for today. I'm gonna start saying things that shouldn't be said.

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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:53 PM
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16. I'm loosing it too.
Everyone I've talked to today wants Bush to nuke all of the ME, not even considering the millions who are just guys and gals, like us, trying to feed and clothe themselves and their families. Cold blooded, insensitive and uncaring. Sadly, I'm related to two of the pro-nukers. I was not for leaving the Iraqi people until things got better for them, but as of today I say get the hell out and fire bush for taking us into his twilight zone.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:00 PM
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17. No you're perfectly sane
You've got a full blown nazi coworker it sounds like one of the 33% diehards that would vote for the chimp if he molested fat tony's kids on the whitehouse lawn.
Welcome to bush's* united america. The only thing I can say is to keep with people who share your feelings, and keep an eye out for the nazis.
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sallydallas124 Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:00 PM
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18. Reminds me of a quote -
From David Byrne in the Onion recently -
"We live in ugly times. The Bush years have been emotional. They've been driving me crazy. Not so much a guy or an administration, but the fact that large portions of the population seem to go along with it and be swept up in some kind of weird, feverish hallucination."

Although I disagree w/the 'not so much a guy or an administration' part but the quote has stuck with me.

I also like what a fellow DUer said, I think yesterday, that it's like being on a bad trip that hasn't peaked yet. (Don't know exactly who said this so I can't give him/her their dues)

These times are toxic. The best I can do is find my own happy place and come out for brief periods at a time to find out what's going on when I can mentally handle it.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:02 PM
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19. What do you mean "staged beheading"?
It looked real to me.
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Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:45 PM
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29. Not "faked" but "staged"
There are some rumblings about the identity of Bergs killers, and whether they are "them" or "us."

I make no judgement on that issue, I haven't even seen the video as yet.

BTW - anyone have a link to that video?
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:05 PM
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20. You're not alone...
I can't think straight, I'm so ill over this.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:08 PM
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21. Velcome to Amerikka Under Bush. AKA Hitler's Germany redux...
cause this sure ain't kansas anymore.

I sure get tired of saying "I told you so..."
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:11 PM
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23. Me, too. But I still LOOOVE saying it to Busheviks!
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:09 PM
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22. I feel it a lot, which is why I post / hang out at DU....
...working in a rightwing freeperstan rush/hannity fan club place (and having to pretty much shut up about politics or have my coworkers turn on me),

.....coming off work and hanging at DU is sort of like a cyber-support group for me.

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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:24 PM
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27. Me too, Wayerley Hills Hiker,
You and I live in the same part of the country. I, too, am surrounded by people who think there was nothing wrong with our treatment of the prisoners.

Someone told me we shouldn't even take prisoners -- just kill 'em all, because if we don't, they'll be over here soon to kill us.

I sympathized with a friend whose son-in-law's reserve unit should be called up soon. She told me not to worry, he's ready to go, even anxious. She added that her family supports the president and the war and that's the patriotic thing to do.

I guess I'm a traitor in her eyes.

I've alienated so many people that I'm virtually afraid to go to a social function. And yet, I'm not ready to keep my mouth shut. . .

DU is my refuge, too.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:12 PM
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24. sad
very sad. We are barbarians. We are killers and people seem to love it.

sad--think--we are a nation where 80% of us all are supposed Christians who are supposedly compassionate, caring and willing to help and that should disdain lies by a president inorder to kill and murder ten thousand innocents, and ask yourself what has gone wrong. How is it that almost half the population can support this and how a senator on a committee investigating our torturing of prisoners can so pathetically try to spin it to imply that they deserve it.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:47 PM
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30. They're just being compassionate like their president is.
Heck, these weasels have redefined "liberal" - why not "compassion," too?
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:17 PM
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25. yeah, i kind of just had the same conversation with a co-worker.
very nice guy who served in the Army, but "they did it to us so what is the big deal?" is the level of his reasoning. very scary. i am afraid people are just too self-absorbed to consider what it would be like to be in the situation of a innoccent person or a family member of that innoccent person in such a situation.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:17 PM
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26. You are not alone
I woke up this morning with the same pounding headache and sense of deep existential dread I woke up with on September 11, 2001. I've woken up with that feeling too many morning since then but it was particularly bad today. Every news story I read only makes it worse...Taguba testifies on the torture, then the beheading, then the response to the beheading, then we're bombing mosques...I don't even want to think how much worse it's going to be by the end of the day.

I feel an empty icy deadness in my chest where my soul ought to be. I can't stop crying. I want my momma. :hug:
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:45 PM
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28. no, not insane
just human.

Today I finally hit my breaking point. I am so sad and angry at seeing people on all sides being killed -- and for what? To satisfy the BFEE's bloodlust? To ensure their re-election? To avenge Poppy Bush, that pathetic little man's father?

I honestly don't think I can take 4 more years of this.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:50 PM
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31. you're NOT insane and you're NOT alone on the road less traveled
hang tough :grouphug:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:52 PM
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32. read the post on the church
bush's church saying that all has gotten out of control. not a quote

"denigration of human dignity."

the churches need to stand up to their people that for 3 years fed this stuff to and take it back. this church is taking it back. they all need to start taking it back.

the first one to speak out will allowing a feedding of this.

this is my hope in this moment
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:43 PM
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33. I appreciate you all
I'm sorry I couldn't reply to you posts this afternoon. I had stuff to do here at work. I do appreciate the heartfelf responses. It's true I don't now any one of you personally, but it helps to know I'm not the only one here that feels spiritually bludgeoned by all this.

I'm an atheist, but no less sensitive to the subtle reality of what's being done to America, and the entire world, by this soul-destroying Crusade of Hate that has been irreversibly launched. I fear it's going to take far more than a political reversal in America to undo the horrible damage that's being done.

I'm not a pessimist by nature. But I know I have to keep facing this reality whenever I feel like turning away. I have to not sweeten it or minimize it. I don't want to end up numb, and dumb and hating they way they want us to.

Your suggestions are all good, and I welcome the heartily.

Your Fellow Patriot and Human Being,
Mick

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