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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:40 PM
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pic of Berg prior to imprisonment
Edited on Tue May-11-04 05:44 PM by grasswire




Does this look like the same guy? Very hard to tell.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:42 PM
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1. NO and i thought the same thing..but i guess it depends on when he was
Edited on Tue May-11-04 05:43 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
abducted and when this photo was taken :shrug:
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:42 PM
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2. They just showed this picture on Lou Dobbs and I couldn't believe
my eyes.

It doesn't look like the same guy to me at all.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:46 PM
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3. No way...guy in blue is MUCH larger...
broader shoulders.
Just like the fake Osama tape... :eyes:
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:50 PM
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8. The only explanation I would have for that is he was abducted April 9
according to what I have heard. That might account for some weight loss and the clothes he was wearing in the video were baggy.

But...It stil doesn't look like the same person but it is hard to tell. You can't tell the color of his hair in this picture.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:51 PM
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9. The pictuer.
The PICTURE of the guy in blue is much bigger. Resize. Furthermore, adjust for skewage from the video image.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:53 PM
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11. Wait a minute.
Wait a minute... What the hell am I talking about? Don't you think the guy's parents WOULD RECOGNIZE THEIR OWN DAMN SON?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:47 PM
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4. Yeah, it does to me
Same mouth, cheeks, hairline, same proportions in facial features.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:49 PM
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5. Agree....
Hair's grown out, but the facial features are the same. I'm presuming that he lost some weight during his two detentions in Iraq, so I'm not surprised by the thinner appearance in the beheading video.
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notimetoloose Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:50 PM
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7. Agreed
I don't think he ate too well in Iraq...
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:49 PM
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6. The nose looks very similar
for what it's worth...
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:51 PM
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10. certainly looks like the same guy to me
consider he's probably 20 pounds lighter and hadn't shaved or had a haircut in a few weeks.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:55 PM
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14. he looks fair skinned in the pic with no hair....the one with the orange
jumpsuit looks Iraqi...has darker looking skin. Strange that 2 pictures could be so different.
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TheBlob Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:14 PM
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20. Hardly
"Strange that 2 pictures could be so different"

Two weeks ago I had a 'Lincoln beard' and long hair.
Now I'm clean shaven with a buzz.
I'll grow this out for a few months then start all over
- and every time I do I get the predictable:
"Wow, you look like a different person"



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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:58 PM
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16. Look again. He's fairly recently shaved.
Except for the jawline and chin.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:15 PM
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21. umm, that's what i meant by unshaved.
hair on the face and chin.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:42 PM
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22. I meant he'd obviously shaved the rest of his face fairly recently.
That's not "unshaved". That's shaved, and either by himself in a mirror, or by someone else.
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Elbowroom Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:55 PM
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12. about the beard
doesn't it seem strange that he has that beard?


anybody have any idea what kind of shirt he is wearing in the first pic?
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:37 PM
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23. About the beard
The beard is a distinctive style one sees a lot on Muslim men, most popularly in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I would suspect that Mr Berg was attempting to "fit in" appearance wise for the sake of his safety. I had wondered initially if he was a Muslim convert or sympathizer and had adopted that look out of conviction, but I understand that this is not the case.

Mr Berg disappeared sometime in early April -- yet none of his captors -- if in fact he had been a captive -- paraded him before the cameras until this horrific murder. Did this murderous group only recently acquire him?

He appears clean and neat, although he appears to have lost some weight.

Something that struck me from the video was how calm and casual he seemed to be -- I conclude that he had no idea that he was going to be killed until the bastards began to slaughter him.


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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:55 PM
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13. What are you up to grasswire?
First you don't think it's a prison jumpsuit?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1579463

Now you don't think it's the same guy? No offense grasswire, but why don't you just give it (your point, your theory, etc.) to me straight up? :shrug:
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TheBlob Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:56 PM
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15. It's the same guy
Anyone who is remotely familiar with weight training can attest to how quickly muscle definition can fluctuate...especially when you don't HAVE ACCESS to weight training equipment for a little while.

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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:02 PM
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17. I can't tell
the guy in the orange suit obviously has shaved and sculpted his beard. It looks as though he cultivated that beard and was allowed to continue to do so. We really do not have the details of this abduction. We do not know when this picture was taken

The first pic looks as though the guy could not care about cultivating that beard.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:05 PM
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18. If it's him
he appears to lost a lot of weight, while his "terrorist" killers sure are fat.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:14 PM
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19. it could be
yeah
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