I just watched the Berg video and I regret it.

I am hardly a shrinking violet, but it is highly disturbing and I recommend against viewing it.


Spare me the flames about the realities of Bush's war and this is no worse than other things, like prisoner abuses and the children maimed and killed in this war; I find them upsetting too.

God what nightmare has Bush gotten us into?

I saw it up to the part where they laid him down and it was upsetting enough. He looked petrified.

They show every graphic detail, andyou hear his screams until blood goes down his throat and makes a gurgling sound.

up a little to see the guy's head carved off. That shit wasn't quick. I recommend against viewing unless you want to be depressed for the rest of the day.

I watched the whole thing, and regret doing so now.

It's worse than you think...it's not quick. It takes what seems like forever, even though the murder last about a minute.

I'm still pretty screwed up right now, but I'm confused over why I am...because I HAD to watch that dog damned thing, or because of WHAT I saw, or because I know what that this will end up causing more death and misery for innocent men, women, & children.

I just don't know.

Fuck Bush. Fuck him and those neocon bastards that control him.

I don't know whether I'm angry or sad or depressed or enraged....

And those who view said the same things you did, so don't beat yourself up. :hug:

Can't do it. :scared:

Just the story itself was enough to make my stomach flip flop. My heart just aches today and there seems to be no end in sight.

:grouphug:

I'll pass on this one

never again! :scared:

for doing it.

I don't need to know every detail to know that we are FUBAR because of what Bush got us into.

Maybe I'll peek after this Bush induced nightmare is over, just to remind myself to do everything in my power to never let this happen again.

Bush Co is evil and everything they touch turns into more evil. I don't believe in the devil but I do believe that good exists along side of evil and I really want this evil to end! We need to see good prevailing soon. Even when the administration talks about all the good that is going on in Iraq, they don't produce any pictures or video of the grateful Iraqis.

I'll avoid it now.

We are in deep with this tarbaby * latched onto.


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and i've seen some HORRID HORRID video in the last few years with my work, but this one was especially tough.

i think his screams, gasps and gurgles for air is what was hardest to hear.


with this war, the prisoner photos and this beheading today, i feel like we're living back in the middle ages.

time. May Nick Berg rest in peace as well as the rest of the fallen.

:(

the U.S. If the Iraqis would air something like this on the internet to retaliate for what was prisoner abuse and humiliation, I sense a massive disproportion here that must be felt from others outside the U.S. as well. The U.S. must make the next move wisely. Not with another heinous attack.

Number two, our atrocities in Iraq include murder and rape.

Any kind of atrocity is horrible. Every murder and violent crime creates a ripple of evil that spreads widely. It's all wrong.

We are wrong for invading Iraq. We are wrong. We must leave.

see it. They specifically said that they did this in retaliation for the prisoner abuse. Think about that. All the death that occurred in Iraq, and they're going to decapitate someone for prisoner abuse. Sorry, but that one was a bit extreme in my book. If you want to retaliate for the prisoner abuse, have Iraqi civilians marching in the streets and demanding for Rumsfeld's resignation. But to decapitate an American and to put it on the internet as retaliation for prisoner abuse is only going to stoke someone's ire.

That the Iraq prison abuse was SPECIFICALLY design to psychologically humiliate the targeted population. Am I saying beheading someone is a logical or well reasoned response? Of course not. But it is those SICK BASTARDS Rumsfeld and B* who must bear a lot of the blame for the poison atmosphere they have created in Iraq with their pseudo-Nazi policies.

March in the streets? Yeah right, and hope the snipers have the day off. Every time I read a story about demonstrations in Iraq it seems several "insurgents" get killed in the chaos.

God pray for this man's soul and comfort his loved ones.
I can't even imagine the hell they are going though now.

The leader (the guy reading the script) is wearing a dark head covering. Only one guy is wearing a white head covering.

The leader is chopping the guy's head off, and the guy with the white head covering is holding the guy down.

Then the leader and the guy wearing the white head covering switch places when it's time to show the head. In fact, only the guy with the white head covering remains in the picture!

That is a forgery?
In any event, no way am I watching it again.

I thought I could watch it. I got through the beginning statement and then the dudes doing the Arab thing...got a bit impatient..fast forwarded...heard a horrible scream and saw them wrestling him to the ground...the image is burned in my brain.

I would highly recommend not seeing the video. It's not like the usual Saudi beheading where it's almost effortless and cartoonlike. This was like watching an absolutely brutal murder.

... It's enough to know that it happened, and once you watch something, you can't un-watch it.

out of respect for the man and his family. I hope by my posting this, someone won't do it just to do it. The whole thing sickens me as much as the war obviously.

i wish i could un watch it. It's terrible, i cant imagine seeing anything worse, it's not worth seeing it, it wont help you at all. If i thought it would broaden anyones understanding of this war and it's senseless cruelty i'd say, go see it, but it doesnt. Just say no.

I had to stop, well, it doesn't matter when. Be prepared to be totally fucked up for quite some time if you watch it, that's all I have to say.

Too much horror in the last week for anybody to be able to handle. I feel like Rodney King, "can't we all just get along".

But he brought it up - I strongly advised him not to watch it - he said he wouldn't, but I can't watch him 24 hours a day while he's on the net. I hope he doesn't watch it.

I cannot seem to block out this incident in my mind, and what his family must be feeling right now... it's beyond comprehension. I do not understand WHY this video is being made public.. are we sanctioning snuff films now? The family should have the right to privacy on this, or perhaps that only pertains to flag draped coffins. Any violent death is abhorrent, this one is much more so.. because of the graphic nature. Whatever religion his family may have, I hope it gives them solace... I could simply not bear to think of my loved one going through that. I'd have to be sedated for many years..

It's not like there's someone in charge of the Internet who can just remove it.

Shit. I cried my eyes out at a "war" pic of a severed leg. I have a feeling that watching that would put me in a coma. I'll be goddamned if I watch the footage of a death in progress. Particularly, a gruesome, unnecessary murder such as that.

Edited for clumsy sentence structure.

I thought I wanted to and I was WRONG !!! I watched it - don't do it!

Someone has to do it.

Someone has to catalog the abuse and propaganda, as well.

And make no mistake, this is the most hideous form of propaganda ever perpetrated on the American people. It's a step up from the sinking of the Maine. Gulf of Tonkin plus. Etc...

It doesn't matter if it was real or staged. The end result is the same thing. It's being used for prurient and political purposes. America is in the shitter.

this is the most insidious Propaganda!

This will surely pull bunkerboy's ass out of the flames, along with his entire criminal gang of thugs.

We will be further villified and marginalized by the wacko fundie right wingers.

It will be curious to look back on this time to reflect to what further depths the repukes will have decended because of this.

First Casualty: Any inquiry into the prison abuse scandals.

Just wondering how quickly all things will come to a halt or shift focus to those horriblle dems and liberals and "saddam apologists".

Just a little too timely.

what is it about DECAPITATION you did not understand ???

Not asking for sympathy, just giving folks the warning not to do what I did.

you probably have that daring streak that doesn't always serve you well. :)

Sad thing is, that is what they are saying about Berg.

you risk takers can see the worst, but you also can see the best. :)

was a story regarding how he was screaming during the decapitation.

I believe the information provided, and don't have to look at the video.

I don't know how you made it through.

Nightmare is right on the money.

Does anyone think about anything in this world in the same ways they did a few years ago? I doubt it. Whether in Bangkok or Bangor, Maine - people's thoughts about this old earth and the lunatics wandering around on it have changed.

I am writing the check now. :D

If you look at Mel's movie withOUT bringing your own theology to it, see it for ONLY the content it HAS on the screen, then Mel's movie is nothing but a torture/snuff flick. Since the Fundies really got behind that snuff flick and imposed THEIR THEOLOGY on it, and GLORIED in that, it seems to me that they ALL have to see what the madness of the Shrubbite NeoCon PNACers have wrought. I had to watch this to steel myself for fighting the Shrubbites. If THEY say they can't watch this, "Why could you watch, nay celebrate, Mel's MOVIE???"

I had already decided not to watch. I try to screen what I see. Sometimes just reading about it is enough to stay informed. I couldn't hate this war and the bushistas any more so there is no point in me seeing it.

My heart goes out to his family, who apparently have watched this video. I cannot imagine watching one of my children going through what this young man went through.

And, yes, neither can I imagine my children going through what Iraqi children have had to endure over the past decade or so.

As Col. Kurtz said: The horror. The horror.

my email at work. I can't even imagine seeing the video.

I've seen plenty of victims of trauma...no need for more.

IMO, this snuff film is a deliberate attempt to desensitize civilians to violent torture and death. The media knows damn well what they are doing. They are encouraging a carnival sideshow atmosphere in order to get people to watch it, freak out, and call for revenge. The whole thing is a setup.

Don't be a sucker. Don't watch it.

R.I.P., Mr. Berg.

I watched it dispassionately, looking for detail. Someone has to watch it to look for clues, just as we have examined other bits of propaganda pushed on us. Saddam's "spider hole" and the plastic turkey dinner photos gave us many bits of information.

It won't bother me. I'll watch it again to watch the killers again, more carefully this time. I'll watch it out of respect for Berg, just as we ask to see the coffins of dead GIs.

If you feel you need to watch it, you can always turn off the sound and avoid the worst.

I thought that I would want to see the video too. This was the most horrible thing I've ever seen. If someone were to execute someone, however horrendous that it, would make it quick and relatively painless. They would saw their head off slowly with a knife. The prison guards at Abu Ghraib are sick f*cks, but those al-quaeda terrorists aren't even human. Let us not forget that.

so maybe you arent looking very carefully. It was a display turkey, not plastic. In the end it really doesnt matter, but there is a use for accuracy in that you dont get your ass handed to you when you make false charges.

Told myself I shouldn't. Been in a funk ever since...

RIP Nick.. double :(

My death would be private and there wouldn't be half the world sitting around watching my final moments. Talk about an invasion of privacy! I understand the psychological need to attempt to come to terms with violent death. Beyond that, there is no redeeming value to be found in this tripe.

And it's beyond words. I feel such revulsion. As a Muslim, I hated hearing them yelling "Allahu Akbar!" My God doesn't condone murder of the innocent.

I've been walking around the house muttering ever since. I said to my husband, "It's so bizarre! Oh, I watched a video of a man getting his head chopped off today!" Not something you think you can do so lightly. Then I go on about my evening and my life. Very strange life we lead now, isn't it?

neocons and extremist muslims both of whom are not very religious in my eyes and need to be dealt with severely.

I am not mentally capable of dealing with it. I know my limits. When I heard about the beheading of Berg on the news today, I felt nauseous. It is beyond tragic, and my heart goes out to his family. I can't even imagine the horror they're living with right now.

I still believe that the photos of the Iraq prisoners should be released. Sometimes you have to be able to witness man/woman's cruelty to man/woman in order to fully realize its dimensions. I have looked at the photos. I think the difference between videos and photos is that with photos, however disturbing they may be, I can somehow maintain a level of psychological distance. Video always makes it so much more real and vibrant. I doubt that I will be able to watch the Iraq prison video either.

My brother watched the Daniel Pearl video and described it to me. He has much more of an iron stomach than I when it comes to violence, and he tells me that he regrets watching it. Even today, he becomes troubled when even reminded of it.

Or were they amateurs?

You have any tips?

j/k Everything I read is that it was not pretty.