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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 04:33 AM
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check out the hate mail ted rall got...
man, you guys gotta introduce a Logic 101 course for people like these. tillman chose to believe bush's lies, which got him killed, rather than making an informed decision about something so dramatic in his live. rall is attacking more the media than tillman for blindly branding tillman a hero, rather than discussing the reasons (bush's lies) which made the dude throw a lucrative career away.
here's the hate mail ted got:
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From kmdg2@yahoo.com:

Sleep tight. I'm coming to kill you.

From matthew@intouchone.com:

Fuck you you anti American son of a bitch. Get the fuck out of my country now! Call me you bitch if you have the balls to withstand justified criticism for your less than respectful comments about Mr. Tilman. You suck and I hope crowds chase your liberal ass out of this country. Give me a number to call you you fucking pussy ass cunt.
Matthew
602.XXX.XXXX
PS: Fuck you and leave my country BITCH

From cmiele@bglco.com:

Making fun of a man who gave him life defending the freedoms you live under!
You fucking cocksucker!
Cameron S. Miele | Senior Associate
BROWN GIBBONS LANG & COMPANY | INVESTMENT BANKERS
From brookshirelarry@hotmail.com:

Your a nim com poot and and idiot!
Larry Brookshire who served his county while you ran off to Canada or sit you fat ass behind a desk!
Larry Brookshire

From erslo@comcast.net:

You are one fucked up piece of shit. I hope someone blows your head off, you filthy cocksucker.
Fortunately assholes like you don't live long.
FUCK YOU!

From jfeick@sc.rr.com:

Wow what dick, it is fine to say that you don?t agree with the president but to call a hero like Sgt Tillman an idiot that is just uncalled for. I am going to take a guess that you have never served in the military and that you don?t what it is like to be fired at. You are a piece of shit and Mr. O?Reily was right when you should be ashamed of what you did to Tillman. I hope you burn in hell.

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more classical right-wing prose here: http://www.rall.com/rants.html
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Bhaisahab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 04:35 AM
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1. Mods help! I posted this thrice by mistake. Sorry! n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 04:44 AM
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2. You just made my case for why the Left should oppose gun control
Ted Rall got death threats. He can report those threats to the authorities, but since his remarks were unpopular*, I wouldn't expect the authorities to bother very much with investigating the threats against him. Hence, he must have the right to protect himself from the violent threats levelled against him by the Angry White Men of the Right. These people on the Right are very violent, hateful, dangerous people. Unlike most of us, they are not squeamish about guns. If they are the only people who are armed in this country, the Left will continue to get their asses kicked.

*For the record, I disagreed with the contents of his column about Pat Tillman.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 04:59 AM
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3. Of course the wingnuts are angry and violent...
we knew that.

But Rall is a dick, too. Anybody who decides to be such a dick should be prepared to receive some scorn.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:07 AM
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4. Scorn is one thing
Death threats are another
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:12 AM
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5. If Rall is surprised
that he's receiving death threats, then he's an idiot.

I think he's proud to receive them, and he should be. I disagree with his recent positions, but his job is to make the news and he did it in spades.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:16 AM
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7. Death threats are against the law Dookus
Even if it's someone you don't like
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:19 AM
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8. I don't dislike Rall
I just disagree with his recent cartoons. And I don't condone anybody threatening anybody.

But he chose to be extremely controversial, and he should expect the results. I'm not going to feel sorry for him.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:58 AM
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12. So isn't murder
yet they still happen. Who knew?
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:15 AM
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6. We should..
all flood their email boxes with DU mail.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 03:35 PM
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25. Yes! Ask them if they think death threats are covered by freedm of spch
nt
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:21 AM
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9. No wonder...
Republicans hate our judicial system. This is how they interpret the constitution:


From rjohns9797@sbcglobal.net:

United States Attorney General John Ashcroft
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
Re: Witness to Treason against the United States
Dear Mr. Attorney General:

I have witnessed an act of Treason against the United States of America as defined in the Constitution of the United States, Art. III, Section 3, which states "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
The meaning of Article III, Section 3 cannot be interpreted any other way except that Treason is clearly defined as:
1.) going to war against the United States
or
2.) giving aid and comfort to the enemies of
the United States.
To be convicted of treason, the accused must either
a.) confess to treason
or
b.) be accused of treason by two direct witnesses
of the act of treason.
The act of Treason which I, and millions of other Americans have witnessed was committed on 11 November 2003 by a United States citizen identified as Mr. Ted Rall, a native of the State of Massachusetts upon which United States citizenship was acquired by birthright.
On 11 November 2003, Mr. Rall committed an Act of Treason with the publication of statements clearly giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States and encouraging those enemies to take up arms against the military forces of the United States currently occupying the nation of Iraq. Mr. Rall's Treason was aided and abetted by a business entity identified as Universal Press Syndicate...
Mr. Attorney General, I strongly urge you to seek an indictment charging the above parties with the crime of Treason, and to prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. I further urge you to seek a court injunction to immediately prohibit further original publication of such articles by the parties above which are in violation of the United States Constitution Article III, Section 3.
I ask also that the individual identified as Mr. Ted Rall be immediately classified as a potential security risk with the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Transportation Security Administration and that he be subject to additional screening should he seek to travel upon any commercial aircraft within the confines of the United States.

Respectfully Submitted
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:11 AM
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23. Now /that/ is bad for national security.
Inundating the Justice Department with spurious charges of treason distracts them from real work.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:21 AM
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10. Kind of like dogs barking - about the same range of vocabulary
son of a bitch - bitch - balls - ass - fucking pussy ass cunt - fucking cocksucker - nin com poop - idiot - fat ass - fucked up piece of shit - filthy cocksucker - asshole - dick - piece of shit

Well, at least they can type (or maybe they asked the dog to do it for them)
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:25 AM
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11. Oh.
For a minute there, I thought you were quoting lines from South Park. lol

:silly:
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:58 AM
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13. Rall has certainly pushed some buttons!
Not suprising since he was hit pretty hard here, too, over that Tillman cartoon.
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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 07:01 AM
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14. the underlying tone of fascism
in these posts is pretty clear.

The whole "get out of my country" bit is pure fascism.

Not to mention the death threats.
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Texican Donating Member (164 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 07:58 AM
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15. Why the Surprise
Several good Christian morans here in Bushie's state have said that I should be killed for saying the same thing. These people absolutly hate the truth and cannot stand to be exposed as the bloodthirsty perverts that they are. Since we can carry in this state and they are gutless bastards I just don't worry about it. They don't even have the guts to shoot me in the back.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 08:15 AM
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16. Why is it that all RW hatemail always sounds the same no matter what? nt
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 09:30 AM
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17. Why is it that all those writers...
probably consider themselves to be morally superior to liberals and then use the foulest language they can find?
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 09:47 AM
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19. because, like their leader, the English language is their greatest
enemy...

failure.
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immune2irony Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 09:44 AM
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18. This explains Rall's pro-gun article now
I know he wrote it BEFORE the Tillman cartoon, but I bet he's glad he can own a gun now.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 02:16 PM
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24. Here it is
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=748&e=2&u=/uclicktext/20040429/cm_ucru/democratsforguns

Not a bad piece, but the article seems to stress political expediency, rather than the wisdom of the policy.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 09:51 AM
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20. "Your a nim com poot and and idiot! "
Right-O....
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Delano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 09:57 AM
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21. Rall's cartoon was mean-spirited and ill-timed.
It's fair enough to say that going to die in a Bush oil war is a dumb idea, but Rall was wrong because he picked

a. the wrong war - most democrats support the Afghan war because is WAS (at least partly) about getting al Qaeda. Afghanistan was in the stone age compared to Iraq and did need our help (although they're not getting much now).

b. the wrong target - people universally admired Tillman for giving up his wealth to do what he saw as his patriotic duty. whether he was fooled or not is irrelevant. He went out of a sincere desire to do good, and Rall called the dead man a RACIST. Why did he do that? Does he have some secret videotape of Tillman professing his disgust for "ragheads"?

c. the wrong time - Tillman's body was barely cold and Rall chose to start kicking it.


Rall has every right to put out whatever he wants. He can be very good, but he has stepped over the line before. His columns also exhibit a kind of hateful hysteria I prefer to avoid. I wouldn't be surprised if his 'toon is pulled from a lot of outlets.

As for the freeper death threats, I wouldn't be surpised if Bartcop, Will Pitt and others don't get such threats on a regular basis. Comes with being a pundit. He just got more than usual because the cartoon was more obnoxious than usual.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:04 AM
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22. Self-deleted.
Edited on Wed May-12-04 10:06 AM by LoZoccolo
I really shouldn't post people's personal information. Sorry.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 03:40 PM
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26. Wow! He says O'Reilly is taped and edited, so any zingers
on the part of the guests are edited out.

That shouldn't surprise me, but I guess it sorta does. Come to think of it, he doesn't take calls, does he?

The guy's an even bigger asshole than I thought. He's a FAKE asshole!
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