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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:08 AM Original message |
A rational discussion thread re Berg murder video |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. The bottom line is |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. The real bottom line - Justice for Nick Berg |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
28. You're not the only one around here that has come up with that conclusion. |
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For PaisAn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
98. According to Nick Berg's father |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. There is a possible reason for this |
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ewagner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Good questions and another |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 07:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
115. Snip from post #95 |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. let's get this straight |
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doni_georgia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 04:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
109. It actually does matter, and I am sure it matters to his parents |
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WLKjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. I noticed some of those points too |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
4. Thank you. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Thank you so much Warpy - remember OJ and Nicole? |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. if he was dead when he was beheaded, then why did he scream |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Well |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I saw him scream though---his mouth was open |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Unclear |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. it's called "dubbing" |
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thecrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
57. Can a person scream while being strangled? |
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Frederic Bastiat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. There is a delay |
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troublemaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
41. I read that Daniel Perle declined sedation |
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doni_georgia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 05:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
110. The heart is a pump |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You bring up a good point................ |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
5. Is it possible that he was killed in some other manner in the 11 hour... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Consider Motive ... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:33 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. The tossed cookies explantion |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:34 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Unless they didn't have the stomach for that sort of thing. n/t |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:36 AM Response to Reply #6 |
13. It is a good question... |
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hang a left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
132. The purpose of the video is to encite horror and rage. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
19. To Add |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:07 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Thanks - Here is the "Precedent" sub thread |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. This is exactly what it smells like. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
22. Preliminary rational conclusions |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Thank you for putting forth your points in a manner that allowed us... |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. In the stills I have seen with his hands cuffed |
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Castilleja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. That is a possible point there, |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I noticed that also... |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. one possible take on that |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 03:02 AM Response to Reply #64 |
89. yep |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 11:42 AM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Addendum |
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Castilleja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 01:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. Hence, the "pasted on" effect |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
82. it looked like that to me too |
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Timefortruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. I hope his family knows by now that the video doesn't portray |
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friendofbenn (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 02:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
105. hoax? |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 05:16 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Making a bad job of it |
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hang a left (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 12:28 AM Response to Reply #112 |
133. That was my thought. |
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doni_georgia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 05:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
111. Question for Hamden |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
24. Thanks for responses -- one proposed way to organize discussion |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Chronology sub thread here: |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Kick for Rationality, Civility and Praise for a Terrific Newbie! |
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CWebster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Horrifying photos yet to hit--depicting gang rapes |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #33 |
81. Just curious, how has your mother seen |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 11:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
130. An extremely detailed timeline-- |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Add in questions about the language on the soundtrack |
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southlandshari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 12:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
99. Jenin definitely mentioned |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 04:16 AM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Another link here |
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southlandshari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 01:19 AM Response to Reply #106 |
124. Berg video 2:41:12 |
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southlandshari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-16-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #124 |
125. self-correction - "Muslimeen" not "Jenin" |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 11:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
129. Another language and culture question |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 03:33 AM Response to Reply #129 |
136. Response from a woman from UAE on another board to this |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
83. Maybe ask Skinner for a separate section on this? |
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scottxyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
86. Another sub-thread |
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southlandshari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 12:38 AM Response to Reply #86 |
100. speaker's accent |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 04:19 AM Response to Reply #100 |
107. Does this explanation work for you? |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 06:12 AM Response to Reply #107 |
114. Would that be equivalent to someone making a speech |
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southlandshari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 09:43 AM Response to Reply #107 |
121. yes to classical Arabic explanation |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. Another anomaly surfaces with this article... |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. but |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
32. Do we have confirmation of the following |
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SheepyMcSheepster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. very good point. |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
37. I would have to look hard at Chalabi's people for motive. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
38. ## Support Democratic Underground! ## |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
40. letter from Berg parents |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
42. Kick |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
43. A few more preliminary conclusions |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Philadelphia FBI |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:41 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Re: al-Zarqawi |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. al-Zaqawi |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I Agree |
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Eye and Monkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 12:44 AM Response to Reply #54 |
101. He claims in the video that he's Zarqawi, yet he wears a MASK? |
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Kusala (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #49 |
102. CIA Official: Al-Zarqawi LIKELY BEHEADED Berg |
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southlandshari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
58. Zarqawi was reported dead months ago... |
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southlandshari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. more on Zarqawi |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 12:31 AM Response to Reply #61 |
134. I researched news reports on al-Zarqawi last week. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
45. I have seen pictures of beheadings... |
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Qanisqineq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
47. "I urge everyone to view the video" |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Try here |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Um that was |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 11:04 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Please, please, lets not turn this very rational thread re questions... |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 11:09 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Agreed |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Well, absolutely not. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. With respect |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Thank you! |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #60 |
74. OK, then: rational discussion. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. The reason for the reaction |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 03:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Fair enough, but |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 01:44 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Reader/Leader with dark burka goes to to cut off the head, but guy with |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 10:04 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Your first statement proves nothing. |
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stickdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. My first statement proves that the event wasn't filmed in real time. |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 08:01 AM Response to Reply #96 |
117. Still, I have to ask |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 08:28 PM Response to Reply #96 |
128. Question addressed to Stickdog: Please explain |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #79 |
91. I do not suspect George and Co |
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forgethell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. There might well be |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Skepticism |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
62. I understand that the body has now been released and is being... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
65. A newly CNN announced discrepancy |
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vetwife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Berg family is blaming The US government.. |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 10:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
95. Actual transcript |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
67. Good post! |
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vetwife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 01:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Just strange to me that the repugs trying to even the score don't mention |
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EV1Ltimm (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
70. i haven't seen the berg video yet... |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. A good skeptical point |
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EV1Ltimm (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 03:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. i feel berg and perl shared the same MO... |
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Screaming Lord Byron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. One way of looking at it. |
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katusha (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
71. no matter how sharp the knife |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Excellent point |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
75. One more bit of illogic ... |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 12:42 AM Response to Reply #75 |
135. Announcing one's name is not the same as revealing one's |
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Slit Skirt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
80. thanks for your insight... |
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Must_B_Free (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. Islamic ritual slaughter |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-12-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. But would they use halal slaughter methods on an enemy? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 01:45 AM Response to Original message |
88. Folks, we need to compile all the real information in one place? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
94. Diplomat's E-Mails Show Berg in Custody |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-13-04 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
97. they determined the accent is not Jordanian... |
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Bush_Basher (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 01:56 AM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Choises |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
104. Is the DATE of the video anywhere on the timestamp? |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 04:33 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. No |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 05:37 AM Response to Original message |
113. I propose this explanation for the double timestamp |
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Imperialism Inc. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 08:46 AM Response to Reply #113 |
120. Once Berg is tackled, The timestamp is obscuring the action. |
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Tansy_Gold (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 07:04 PM Response to Reply #113 |
127. DUer's frame by frame analysis of video concludes |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
116. Orange Jumpsuit appeared to be US issued |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 08:05 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. This can be sufficiently explained |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 08:43 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Not accusing US forces |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. They can be ordered on line |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-14-04 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
122. Great thread! Book-marking to read more closely later. n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-17-04 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
126. Another question re the guns in the video |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
131. Original website of video tracked down |
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