Propeller From Missing Pentagon Plane Used In Beheading?

sorry but I just can't embrace the new cottage industry of Berg conspiracy.

fundamentalist muslims have a long history of beheading. why is it hard to believe that this is anything other than what the video shows it to be?

couldn't we get back to defeating the bushies and electing Kerry?

or is that too radical a concept?

or naive or pro-establishment because you don't believe in some wild conspiracy theory.

and, btw, I believe in LOTS of conspiracies, quite beyond the 'theories'

OTOH, 'extreme' CT just allows the RW to lump everyone who questions as the loony left.

This may well just be what it seems to be. However, there are enough discrepancies to justify our debate. I don't think that makes us the tin-hat brigade. It's healthy to doubt and to try to work out what happened to a dead civilian.

"couldn't we get back to defeating the bushies and electing Kerry?"

But it should still be possible to wonder about the happy coincidence of the beheading and the torture scandal, shouldn't it?

Beyond that, I support your strive to elect Kerry.

I didn't think it was that at all. I fully expected that there would be some extreme reaction to the abuse. It did not surprise me at all and I was not surprised that it was a beheading since it was done before and got a huge reaction from the American people. I don't know what to say about the veracity of the video because I will not watch it...the verbal description was enough for me.

Some are glaring. If the video met with all expectations it would probably be easier to accept. The video may be exactly what it appears to be. It may be a cludged mess put together by incompetant terrorists. But the discrepancies call our attention to the possibility that it may be something other than what we are being told.

Your post hit on something important to me:

...cludged mess put together by incompetant terrorists

There are things here that just don't seem right. Incompetant is right. That's what makes me uncomfortable with the official line on this murder.

in the report of the Joint Inquiry into 9/11. After all, it managed to defeat a very big, seasoned, proficient intelligence community.

They're good at what they do, unfortunately. But I don't think the training includes how to work a Sony Handycam.

It just shows how much the tin foil hat loonies have been active lately that I thought you post was serious when I saw the subject line.

I fully expected a propeller beheading thread. I'm sure its coming.

I only believe what I can read in the NY times.

posted last night about the inconsistencies regarding the theory that Berg was killed in an orange prison jumpsuit that he had been wearing when the CIA shoved him out of prison right before he was picked up by the murderers. I have a feeling too many of those who enthusiastically embrace these theories simply don't want the truth to be anything else.

I'm not saying a BFEE plot is out of the question, but the people supporting that notion seem in many cases to be ignoring any other possibility -- while at the same time accusing those of us who don't embrace it of blind obedience to the Establishment line.

They aren't even willing to offer other explanations for this one aspect of the case.

And as a former novelist, I can come up with several! :evilgrin:


I spent -- wasted?? -- too much time on this subject last night, but it's good to see some sanity first thing in the morning.

oh, I know, I know...

embrace ALL the TIN or... you're a BFEE tool and f'in fool.

<sigh>

light it, take a puff, it just MIGHT be a cigar after all...

no, there are no cigars.

only UFOs shaped like cigars. . . . .

:evilgrin:

Tansy Gold, who quit smoking 25 years ago

Especially if you can ridicule two theories, with one remark.

It is known that there is more to the Berg story then just the fact that fundamentalist muslims have a long history of beheading.

Aside from the fact that this long history is in itself not evidence that this beheading was also done by fundamentalist muslims,
there's the uncomforting fact that "On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military in Iraq." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1577936

and find the 'missing plane' theory completely worthy of ridicule.

in less than 24 hours the avalanche of Berg 'theories' has been stunning... from "bush ordered it" to "it isn't really berg" and beyond...

I'll give it more than 24 hours before deciding *which* theories are worthy of ridicule.

if you don't think some ridiculous theories have been floated on DU, well.... that's ridiculous.

But you're ridiculing them all. That's not so cool.

Much of the discussion about the Berg video has nothing to do with conspiracy theory, but with the glaring irregularities in the video itself.

I think everyone should watch the entire gruesome video before questioning the rationality of people concerned with these irregularities. Please look at the video -- the time stamp discrepancies, the jump cuts, and forensic evidence -- before concluding that the tape is clearly authentic and anyone who questions it is a tinfoil hat wearer.

Like my personal favorite: it must be fake because it was encoded with the latest Windows Media 9 codec.

That encoder is available for free download at Microsoft and has been for some time. I have it, and I'm not in the CIA.

And then there's the business about how the guys in the video are too fat to be Arabs. And their hands are white. And, oh yeah, they're wearing tennis shoes and have "western mannerisms." As though Arabs cannot get fat, have only one skin tone, have never heard of sneakers, and only stand and move in particular ways. (As Dirk wisely pointed out, much of this seems to be based on stereotypical notions of how Arabs look and act.)

And let's not forget the one about, "If they're really al Qaeda, then why do they have their faces covered?" Well, call me crazy, but maybe they wanted to make it harder for someone to recognize them.

Unfortunately, about 90% of the "evidence" put forward in the past day is of this quality. It's about as sensible as me insisting that my sister must have been kidnaped by Mossad, since I called her today and no one answered the phone.

Sorry, but not all theories are equally worthy of respect, and some people really do need to lay on another layer of tinfoil.

We can wrap up all the nutcase conspiracies into one thread! :eyes:

I'll believe it. Until the evidence is forthcoming, saying they were Islamicists is just another conspiracy theory.

... isn't evidence enough of the Islamicism, Walt, what would be 'evidence', exactly? :wtf:

There are NO coincidences...

"OSAMAGATE"

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