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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 09:55 AM
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By Proxy - Will Pitt made it to front and center of Google News
There's a link to some article on the *snort* Intellectual Conservative, mentioning Will's claims about Abu Ghraib

Click on the pondering caveman at the top of google news.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 09:59 AM
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1. Intellectual conservative
Compassionate conservatism
Jumbo shrimp
Defense intelligence

you get the idea
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:00 AM
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2. regardless, he's being quoted and rebutted.
therefore making the right sorts of noise
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:02 AM
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3. Can you tell me...
what the hell is an intellectual conservative?

Is this someone who thinks about conserving energy? Someone who thinks infrequently to conserve their thoughts? Someone who thinks of catchy slogans for Limbaugh?

Listening to most conservatives, you'd get the idea they are the only ones with any intelligence and the rest of us should worship their intellect. If this is the case, isn't intellectual conservative redundant?

Or better yet, after listening to intellectual conservatives, can we assume the title to be oxymoronic? Despite having the facts waved in their faces on a daily basis, they are still convinced waging war in Iraq is a good thing for the rest of the world.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:09 AM
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6. Newspeak

It's newspeak for "willfully ignorant."

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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:03 AM
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4. now THAT's an oxymoron...
intellectual conservative...

What is amazing is that this guy is so sure that Americans could never do anything like that:

If any of the things alleged by Pitt turn out do be true, I will take to this space and demand the death penalty where applicable, lifetime imprisonment without view of another blue sky for others, unemployment and forced homelessness for whoever should remain.
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dedhed Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:08 AM
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5. I just read that article...
Edited on Wed May-12-04 10:08 AM by dedhed
... and was wondering why IntellectualConservative.com was running so slow. Now I know.

Anyway, that article was just more of the usual Conservative crap that comes from the Right, including the old "no worse then a Skull & Bones hazing" routine. But, I thought the following quote was particularly amusing...

But until and unless that material proves so horrible, you’ll have to forgive me for not having the desire to dismantle the entire military establishment for the actions of a very small number of soldiers (and probably some in the chain of command), or to fire Rumsfeld, or to impeach Bush. I have seen the Nick Berg video; I have seen the Daniel Pearl video; I have seen the video of the four Americans massacred, their body parts hung from a bridge to burn. I have watched them not because they’re enjoyable, but because they remind me we are fighting a battle for humanity more than for “democracy in the Middle East.” It’s nearly impossible to give a damn about the nude pyramid and the guy on the leash when you’ve seen a man scream until the exact moment his head is removed from his body.

There you have it... the latest reason to justify "liberating" Iraq: screw implanting Democracy... that's not working. It's now a battle for humanity!

That's justification... what?... number 28?

:bounce:
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:13 AM
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7. Has anyone...
asked Pitt who should be next on the list?

By my estimates there are several Central and South American countries who should be invaded, China and North Korea should be on the list, and Syria, Saudi Arabia, and several other Middle Eastern states.

Then we should hit the Amish and Mennonites - for forcing their poor, innocent children to live a life devoid of TV, the Internet, telephones, and bottled water. What kinds of animals would force their children into this type of existence?
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:48 AM
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12. you seem to think that Will Pitt wrote the quote in post #5
he didn't; it was the conservative Brian Wise. Will Pitt, you may or may not know, regularly posts on DU, and also edits www.truthout.org .
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:20 AM
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9. Battling for humanity by killing as many Arabs as quickly as possible
The more Arabs we kill the more humane we will be seen by other Arabs. It all makes sense now. We have the need to see the Arabs grovel and until they do our job of death and destruction is not over. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:39 AM
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10. I read that and wondered how he proposes
Edited on Wed May-12-04 10:40 AM by Jen6
to "win" such a battle-and what will he have once it's "won"?

Bottom line, as I see it, is that right wingers are basically terrified of everyone who isn't one of them, and their terror gets translated into hostility (like any bully). 9/11 turned them into millions of reactionary bedwetters, unable to preform critical thinking. Iraqis LOOK like the suicidal/ homicidal maniacs from Saudi Arabia who flew those planes, so we may as well kill them (just to be safe). It's all about emotion and has nothing to do with reality-otherwise they would join us in the calling for investigation after investigation of this illegitimate cabal. They never understood that Middle Eastern cultures take their pride very seriously (every bit as much as a member of the right wing does) and they have for centuries believed in "an eye for an eye" (every bit as much as the right wing does) so how can any thinking person be surprised at the horrors that emerge from the chaos and death that we brought to that place? We came there by choice, not by necessity; they have yet to grasp that fact.

If you beat up a stranger in an alley, and then find yourself attacked by the strangers friends every time you walk down that alley, maybe it would be prudent to chose another path!
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:51 AM
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11. "we are fighting a battle for humanity"
I think supremacy is the word he was looking for.
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LatteLib Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 10:14 AM
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8. The conservative portion is plainly there
The intellect is missing.
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