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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:27 PM
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"the Silver Ring Thing" (sigh, you won't want to believe it $700,000+)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1214046,00.html

The flame of sexual liberation may soon have to be kept alive by us geriatric delinquents. A US evangelical group has announced that next month it will be recruiting British teenagers to its campaign against sex before marriage. In the States, more than a million have taken the pledge. "Great Britain," the organiser insists, "is fascinated with the idea of sexual abstinence." In my day such a fellow would have been horsewhipped. Yet young people are flocking to him. Is there no end to the depravity of today's youth?

Not if the US government can help it. The abstinence campaign that hopes to corrupt the morals of our once proud nation - a group called the Silver Ring Thing - has so far received $700,000 from George Bush, as part of his campaign to replace sex education with Victorian values. This year he doubled the federal budget for virginity training, to $270m. In terms of participation, his programme is working. In every other respect it's a catastrophe.

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The two western countries at the top of the disaster league, the United States and the United Kingdom, are those in which conservative campaigns are among the strongest and sex education and access to contraception are among the weakest. The US, the UN Population Fund's figures show, is the only rich nation stuck in the middle of the third world block, with 53 births per 1,000 teenagers - a record worse than those of India, the Philippines and Rwanda. The UK comes next with 20. The nations the conservatives would place at the top of the list are clumped at the bottom. Germany and Norway produce 11 babies per 1,000 teenagers, Finland eight, Sweden and Denmark seven and the Netherlands five.

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The catastrophe afflicting so many teenagers in Britain and America, in other words, has been caused not by liberal teachers, liberated parents and Marie Stopes International, but by those who campaign against early sex education, discourage access to contraceptives and agitate against the social inclusion (income equality, the welfare state) that offers young women better prospects than getting knocked up. Abstinence campaigns such as the Silver Ring Thing do delay sexual activity, but when their victims are sucked into the cesspool (nearly all eventually are), they are, according to a study at Columbia University, around one-third less likely to use contraceptives, as they are not "prepared for an experience that they have promised to forgo". The result, a paper published in the British Medical Journal shows, is that abstinence programmes are "associated with an increase in the number of pregnancies among partners of young male participants". You read that right: abstinence training increases the rate of teenage pregnancy.

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Breathtaking as this deception is, it's not half as bad as what Bush has been up to. When his cherished abstinence programmes failed to reduce the rate of teenage births, he instructed the US Centres for Disease Control to stop gathering data. He also forced them to drop their project identifying the sex education programmes that work, after they found that none of the successful ones were "abstinence only". Bush should also hope that we don't look too closely at his record as governor of Texas. He spent $10m on abstinence campaigns there, with the result that Texas has the fourth-highest rate of HIV infection in the union, and the slowest decline of any state in the birth rate among 15- to 17-year-olds.
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drag them kicking and screaming from the white house


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:31 PM
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1. Thank God SOME countries have a WORKING MEDIA
:nuke:
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:38 PM
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2. I love the term
Virginity Training. What the fuck does that mean?

Next these guys will be offering Breathing Training or Heartbeat Training. Maybe they will mandate chewing each piece of food 32 times with capital punishment as the fallout.

I'll stop now, my head is throbbing.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:44 PM
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3. $270 frikkin' million on virginity training?!
Geez, what is this idiot doing, stocking up for his afterlife? Getting the sacrifices ready for when he is annointed the god-king?
This is outrageous! Gee, you think that money would be better spent on REAL sex-ed programs, or education in general, or welfare, or just about anything non-military(and I'd be all for the military training if the money went to teaching our folks in uniform to NOT torture prisoners).

And just when I'd seen all of this misadministration's idiocy. $270 million spent on virgins. Sheesh:eyes:
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:46 PM
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4. The idea of pledging abstinence with a silver ring has been around
at least 20 yrs. In-laws made a big to-do about their daughter receiving one.
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:46 PM
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5. This came up the other day in the Lounge...
Un-fucking believable!

Why can't they mind their own business? Do they really expect people to stay virgins until they are married? I didn't get married until I was 26. There are very few things more pathetic than a 26 year old virgin.

I fear that their real goal is to encourage people to marry younger and have more drones to fulfill their evil plans. Think about it. You are 17 or 18 and you know that the only way you can have sex is to get married. So you marry the first person that gets your parts all tingly so you can have a schtup. Since Bush&Co. also want to outlaw all forms of reproductive safeguards, BAM! you are 17 and have a kid. You are also married to someone you really only had a sexual attraction to.

Now you are 18, divorced, and the single parent of an unwanted child. Shit like this only increases the rates of the things the Fundies say are ruining society.

And none of this rant even touches disease control.

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Unperson 309 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:51 PM
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14. Few Things As Pathetic as A 25 Year Old Virgin??


309 folds arms, tapping foot in irritation...

"A-HEMMMM!"

*grin*.. Actually, I was almost 30 before losing "it"...

Well... I suppose you *could* only call me a **technical** virgin at that age, but.....

The fun part came in as I made up for lost time. :9 YUM! :9

309
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:49 PM
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6. Um, someone just did a study on "abstinence" and teenagers.
Their STD rates are just as high or higher than those who are sexually active.

What a crock of hooey and a waste of money.

BTW, anyone even remotely believe his two twins are virgins? :eyes:
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:51 PM
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8. They have abstained from sex...
just like they have abstained from drink.
If they are virgins, so am I.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:50 PM
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7. a study done recently
those that bond into the abstinence thing, more likely to have sex earlier.

seems to me to have a better chance with child waiting not to play this game. wink
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:53 PM
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9. Also, they are more traumatized by GUILT from having sex
they've been taught it's such a terrible thing, that when they do lose their virginity, they are wracked with guilt and start having feelings of self-loathing. NOT a good cycle.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:54 PM
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10. The End of the World & the Silver Ring Thing
From a documentary the Beeb ran a few months back. Denny Pattyn is the founder of the Silver Ring Thing:

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Denny Pattyn
We’re very concerned about the world in general, I’m
concerned about terrorism and how there is no real easy
way to fight that. And that all plays into my faith because
I believe that the end of the world is approaching very
quickly and I believe Christ will come back.

I think about that, I think about the fact that I might be
living in the last days, I’m not freaked out, I’m not, you
know, shutting down things to about that but I actually
believe that we are approaching the return of Christ which
is a, a huge event.


Interviewer
If the end of the world is so close, is abstinence where
you should be putting your energy?

Denny Pattyn
We’re not really putting our energy into abstinence as
much as we’re putting it into faith. Abstinence is the tool
that we’re using to reach children.


My children; I’m not sure they’re going to get a chance to
do some of the things in their future but I also intend to be
prepared spiritually should they die tonight, would they be
heading to heaven, would they know what it takes to face
God one day and he asks them why should I let you into
my kingdom, they have to have the right answer to that.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/programmes/correspondent/transcripts/american_virgins_250104.txt
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:00 PM
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11. That is F-ed up!
nuff said
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:00 PM
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12. Another frightening aspect is "we don't like science"
"...especially when well-controlled studies show our policies are wrong. So we'll shut down legitimate science."

That is one of the most dangerous characteristics of the present administration.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:06 PM
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13. ALL Totalitarians do this
Edited on Wed May-12-04 01:08 PM by tom_paine
Nazis, Soviets, Busheviks, all alike in their hatred for scienec and the desire to write "Fuhrer Faith-Based Science"

If you want to understand the Busheviks, read the story of Stalin, Lysenko & Lomarck.

http://skepdic.com/lysenko.html

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s14075.htm

In 50 years, that will be us, unless the Imperial Family is stopped and the Republic restored.

The Busheviks are creating the New Soviet Union here, and Free America must stop them or the American Experiment in Self Rule Ends.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 02:13 PM
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15. This is one of the stupidest ideas ever.
Shame on people who think this could work.
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