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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:11 AM
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A Way To Rationalise Berg's Beheading Helping * ---> Evil Helps Evil
Edited on Thu May-13-04 12:27 AM by althecat
I have a meme for people to consider.

Over the past few days there has been a raging debate between those who see the beheading of Nick Berg as symptomatic of the evil of Al Qaeda, and those who see it as symptomatic of the evil of George Bush.

This is in fact very easy to reconcile.

The beheading is symptomatic of both.

And as the detail emerges that:
- Michael, Nick's father was a peacenik;
- That Nick himself was a lone adventurer who was possibly really in Iraq to help Iraq for his own sake (as distinct from Halliburton and Bechtel);
- and who was himself held in US Military Custody during his time there (and who missed his plane because of this
... the picture we see is becoming clearer.

EXCELLENT BACKGROUND THREAD BY TINOIRE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1577936&mesg_id=1577936

Nick Berg was a truly innocent victim. And his death is truly an appalling moral indictment on us all and our world.

Spritually this makes sense. Evil begets evil. Pain begets pain. Horror begets horror.

The fact that as the detail emerges in this case it is full of poetic clarity is in my view indicative of its value as an object lesson. Especially in terms of attempting to understand it spiritually as well as rationally.

Meanwhile, and I admit to being partial to this theory myself, many also ponder how often Al Qaeda seems to step in at the right time to lift heat off the Bush Administration. In some cases - like the Michael Jackson case - the means by which this could be orchestrated is present (Asscroft and the DoJ).

In others like this beheading it isn't. That is unless the black ops boys dressed up in suits and chopped Nick's head off themselves. And in so many ways this is altogether too diabolical to consider possible.

Again the way to reconcile the fact that Al Qaeda's evil appears to routinely help George Bush's evil is simple.

Evil also helps evil. That is what it does.

It makes perfect sense that evil actions by Al Qaeda should be at times convenient for an evil White House. They are on the same side in the spirtual war against peace.

And there is no need for this to be organised by human hands even if at times it is.

Those without a faith background may call this coincidence, but for many people with a belief in God (including millions of Muslims) there is no difficult in identifying the means of organisation, Satan.

Alternatively if you find this hard to swallow, consider the reverse.

It makes no sense spiritually for evil actions by Al Qaeda (such as the beheading of Nick Berg) to help the peace lobby, how can evil help good? (The mistaken belief that "the ends justify the means" is a prime source of human misery.)

So Berg's beheading helps the White House. Of course it does.

*****

anyways....

Food for thought.

Al

(I am editing this meme to make it clearer....if any quick observations are made they can be incorporated....)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:24 AM
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1. finished fiddling now...
If anyone notices any glaring errors in the above would be delighted to fix em...
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:43 AM
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2. the fundie-fundie BAMN dance.
Hate-mongering zealots claiming divine authority. determined to bring about the final great conflagration.

Same goals.

Same methods.

Perfect partners dancing to the same tune.

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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:49 AM
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4. Dude, those Dead are Grateful
"And the kids they dance and shake their bones."
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:46 AM
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3. Evil is Evil even if masquerading as Evil vs. Evil.
I have been deeply troubled by the butchering of Nick Berg and I was prepared to pounce (or flame) based on your subject line to “rationalize” the event. In my world-view I still cannot go there, at least with the concept of that word. There is no way to justify the slaughter of innocent life.

However, on an abstract plane you’ve provided a very thoughtful explanation for the spiritual connection between the * administration and terrorists that write and follow their own laws of behavior.

Still, there is no way to rationalize or justify the brutal death of Nick Berg or anybody from *’s folly. How many more decks of martyr cards can we afford to publish now?
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 04:00 AM
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6. Probably a poor choice of word....
Thanks countmyvote4real,

What I meant by "rationalise" was to "think about without having your head explode". "Explain" would have probably been a better word.

To be honest I am grateful that I have not actually viewed the video. Lots of writers who post to our website (Scoop.co.nz) have - and like Will Pitt - it seems to haunt them.


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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:53 AM
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5. how many Iraqis died in American prisons??
I would be interested to know that...and HOW they died as well. We have probably done the same to them.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:08 PM
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7. Food for thought?! I'm with you all the way on this one
Edited on Thu May-13-04 10:48 PM by Tinoire
The beheading is symptomatic of both.

Carlyle, the Bush, Baker, Carlucci, Bin-Laden investment house that makes people rich off of war, immediately jumps to mind.

I believe Al-Qaeda is TOTALLY made up. It never existed until we created it, gave it a name and set about creating recruits for it. They always spring up just in time to save the Right wing- just like Hamas which Israel created also. They're always around, and handsomely so, when the Right wing needs them!

I do, I really wish you wouldn't bring up Satan in all of this because as a Christian on a Liberal board it becomes uncomfortable. I do believe that Satan exists because I believe in God & for everything in God, an evil reverse exists- that's what Satan is, evil, proud, arrogant, with a total lack of empathy & appealing to the lowest instincts of man- ruling over the other. Everything we're seeing in the diabolical administration running this country is straight from the bowels of hell, just as the Bible said. At end times, all of the evil angels and Satan (this is per the Bible) will be released on earth to sink as many souls as they can using greed, patriotic fanaticism, and twisting the word of God to drag as many souls as they can with them on their way down.

I believe this. We are seeing it & living it. How else does anyone explain that anti-Christ squatting in the White House? How else does anyone explain the Skull & Bones affiliation? The occult aspect of this war (dates especially) in what was once the Garden of Paradise? The looting of the Baghdad museum where the first things stolen were artifacts the Illuminati needs to rebuild the Temple after having been expressively forbidden to do so because Christ is the New Temple and His resurrection was the rebuilding?

I am so sickened right now. All of this slaughter is just another sacrifice to Moloch from men who have damned their souls and are just pursuing earthly gratification.

I really hate talking about these things but years of religious studies and research have led me to this.

We are at a time in history where Jews, Christians and Muslims are all imminently awaiting the arrival of the Moschiah, the Messiah, the Mahdi. It's all the same person so what's the problem?!

This is why, right now, as evil tries to seduce as many of us as possible (another end times prophecy), all men are being asked to make a choice between Good & Evil.

We all know which one is which.

And by the way, you don't have to accept Jesus as your Saviour or any of that 'whitewasher of scarlet red sins' blah blah blah right now. Just choose good vs evil. In the end you'll be ok because that's all it's ever boiled down to- Good vs Evil.

"Love your neighbor as you love yourself".

Too many lost to Evil quibbling over "Who is my neighbor" as if a lawyer can get them out of that clause. Your effing neighbor is anyone else who roams this earth because all men were created in image of God.

Peace, out.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:34 PM
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8. Wow....
Lots more to think about there.

Peace out Tinoire! And thanks for chiming in...
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