CNN Daybreak requested emails

to let them know if the rest of the Iraqi torture pictures should be shown to the public.

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?1

Let them know our imaginatiion of the photos is worse.

I caught the part about our imaginations being worse...(was off making coffee)

Saw what you posted and figured it was you.

The one after yours was some person saying not to show them.....

I sent an email...it will be Solly from Fort Riley (Kansas) IF they read it. I wasn't nice.

Someone just had their email read that sounds just like your
sentitments. Are you in Atlanta?

I just wrote "the truth shall set you free"...

Man, no one ever listens to me!!! :-)

It's the obligation of the gummint to cough them up and get on with things, and stop trying to manipulate the public.

say that there were 1800 photos and nothing new from what we have already seen. I know that is bullshit, because the Pentegon has said there are photos showing MUCH WORSE things than what we have seen. I want those photos shown to silence these liars, and apologists like Rush Limbaugh.

Send Rush Packing
http://www.geocities.com/sendhimpacking/

Maybe I'm being caught up in the "flavor of the moment", but is there anything that needs be shown that could further bring home the point Iraqis have been abused or tortured? Does a video mean more than a still? Does 1800 pictures mean things are 1800 times worse?

We've gotta keep the issue on the "chain of command" and the responsibility, or lack thereof, that creates these conditions to exist. The question should be is this the type of military we want defending us or is this the product of corrupt leadership at the top?

The military "rank and file" are getting railroaded again here...they're taking the heat for what loyal obedience to this regime. THAT should be a major issue...especially with military families who've suffered the most in lives and benefits under this regime.

the term abuse and have it labelled correctly as torture.

the BushCo position of six or seven individuals.



And we need to know exactly what we did do to stop all the rumors of gang rapes and child sexual abuse that are floating around.


edit: Imus just said that he thought the pictures we have seen so far looked silly and was a stupid thing for us to do. The other pictures need to come out to change that impression.

Abuse, torture? What's the difference? To those who think this is a college pranks, you're not going to shake them up. Those in the middle have seen...and can tell this is not right.

Yes, let's discuss loudly who gave the orders to the prison guards and why these people were there in the first place. How did a garage mechanic end up being an Interrogator? Who made this decission? The "grunts" are getting shit on here, and this is the issue we should champion. Showing more grunts doing their master's orders doesn't show the orders given, just creates more names and victims here.

Lastly, from the credible sources I heard that saw the "evidence" yeseterday, there weren't any rapes or child porn or snuff videos that some rumored there'd be. It's like it's a disappointment there wasn't.

Again, let's focus on the blame game that's going on. Play this right and the military will be with us this November.

Rummy is doing his press thing today and tomorrow the media moves on to the next story.

Let 'em press with Court Martials. That's where this story heads next. My Lai wasn't a big deal until Calley's trial...that's where the real dirt started to come out.

Rummy's PR swing is already being panned as a PR stunt...desperation. He's not there on an "atta boy" trip...this is to save his ass and his war. This isn't going to be the Bob Arnot PR tours we saw last year.

Lots of people here trash Lyndie England...most based on where she's from and her obvious enjoyment (Jon Stewart nailed my feelings on this last night), but she had to have someone instructing her on what to do or that it was OK to do these things. Who were they? Why aren't they on trial? Who told them it was OK, and so on.

Maybe, just maybe, we can shine the light on the terrible situation our military is in. These people are being set up for taking the blame and don't deserve it. Their superiors do. In fact, I've posted here my outrage that there's not a war crimes investigation going on here.

So, now your turn, explain how showing more photos and videos will end this war any sooner.

very little there to keep the television media going. The story will be dead. No light shining on your military part of the story because the media will have moved on.

No pictures, no story.

30 years later, the image of My Lai is still that Vietnamese girl running naked after her village is destroyed (and I'm not sure she was from My Lai...but know she was still alive a few years ago somewhere in the U.S.), the picture was ingrained in people's minds...no others were needed. We now have the picture of the Iraqi wired up (there's the picture over the L.A. Freeway yesterday) that's burned in pretty good over the last week...or "the pyramid". Those images have done the trick...are more going to add to it?

There won't be cameras in the court room, but be sure they'll be outside and around the base and in every home town where someone being court-martialed lives. Be sure that when Lyndie English goes in the dock, her case will be used by this regime to "show" it's accountable and those "pranksters" have been taken care of.

This story is far from done, just time to move it along to the next level...and go after Rummy and his immoral war.

I believe the mainstream media is being asked to deemphasize the torture story in those daily press memos the WH sends out. Rove will get another media circus started and without new pictures the television stations will fall in line with the WH agenda.

Hope you are right and I am wrong.

I have a friend who used that expression in financial terms...referring to a stock that would drop then come back, then drop again and come back...each time not as strong as the time before... Another term could be "law of diminishing returns".

Look at how they didn't let the Senate hearings drop yesterday despite the Berg story and we still haven't hit stride onto where this can lead. We're hitting not only on the abuses in Iraq, but the entire policy regarding Guantanamo that will surely bring into question what's happened in Afghanistan...and so on.

Using the term "mainstream" media is very misleading. Look back on my previous posts and you'll see I'm as cynical and mistrusting as anyone regarding how things are reported and spun. And Rove has shown his mastery of media manipulation and intimidation. But this story is way out of his reach. In fact several stories out there are...and patience will bear fruit.

Point of references. My Lai happened in 1969...it wasn't reported until over a year later and the Calley trail wasn't until two years later (also it was under this cloud when Kerry testified to Congress). The Watergate break-in occured in July, 1972...Nixon wasn't tossed for another two years. Lies move fast...the truth and kharma take their time.

but I will not give those enlisted soldiers a pass.

What those people did..and that includes Bush on down, have put my husband's life in greater danger (and not just his). They have shamed an entire nation. Americans need to know just how high up this goes..and just how low (those involved) have sunk.

We have the right to know what was done in our names...the good and the bad.

Nothing speaks like a picture. Let those pictures help bear witness to the horrors humans are capable of...

If crimes were committed, orders or no orders, those who did them deserve to face justice. No human being deserves the humilitation these people went through and not a single person involved in this act should be given a pass.

But let's not jump the shark here and let this story become the photos and not the system that led to the abuse. I have always been horrified by the reports of midnight raids our military conducts throughout Iraq...dragging people into jails and then letting them sit there for days or weeks without any due process. I'd rather see a video of someone's home being stormed...the sheer horror of being woken at gunpoint and then thrown into a cold cell. Let's examine that. Whose responsible for this policy?

I agree that the pictures can't be the primary focus to the exclusion of the those in charge of policy being overlooked or given a pass.

The problem is systemic in that someone made the call to arrest people and detain them without any governing guidelines that were in keeping with Geneva. It's also systemic because someone gave the word to arrest ALL instead of the guilty-in the event of a building sweep.(for example) It's systemic because someone made the call to torture the detainees and now Bush Inc is doing everything to draw attention away from MI, 3rd party contractors and OGA (CIA?, perhaps)

It's systemic because our blundering idiot of a <cough> president wanted to be able to abuse "enemy combatents" with impunity.

It's systemic because this same idiot wants the US to be exempted from a world court and it's soldiers immune from prosecution.

Oh, the pictures just tell one part of the tale, I agree...but it's an important part that I believe needs telling.

It's incredible reading into what life is really like in Iraq. If you think it's chilling to read now, and she's got some real sad stories to relate, go back in the archive to a year ago and read about all that was going on that went completely unreported.

A real disconnect on this story is many of these abuses went on during the first 6 months of the occupation. The impression people get is this happened last week or two weeks ago. This has been an on-going process that has turned that entire country into one prison.

I hope the story turns from pictures to voices. Maybe now journalists will get out of their cozy hotel rooms in the "Green Zone" and see what's really happening in the neighborhoods of Baghdad and around the country. Last weekend I heard a reporter on the Northwestern University radio station from Baghdad (sorry, too early to go running for the post I did or the links right off hand) that described how repressive things are there.

The light should be shined on how shameful this occupation has become and how the combination of cultural arrogance and military/industrial greed, we've destroyed a country.

During the Clinton Inquisition, the wingnuts did have one thing right. It wasn't the sex. Sex just messed up the real issue of the right wing attempt at overturning an election. Don't let sex mess up spotlighting the real corruption in the military and this regime.

Here's a poll they are running on their home page:

Is the Berg killing a reason for withholding any remaining Iraq prisoner abuse pictures?

Yes 48% 139131 votes

No 52% 147755 votes
Total: 286886 votes

www.cnn.com

Right column, near bottom of the page.

hmmm...guess they opted not to read mine then...