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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:00 AM
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Quote from Tucker Carlson, Right Wing War Support er on Iraq War
"I think it’s a total nightmare and disaster, and I’m ashamed that I went against my own instincts in supporting it," he said. "It’s something I’ll never do again. Never. I got convinced by a friend of mine who’s smarter than I am, and I shouldn’t have done that. No. I want things to work out, but I’m enraged by it, actually."

http://www.observer.com/pages/nytv.asp
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:08 AM
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1. How Nice for him...Bow Tie boy see's the light.

He is getting out while the getting is good.

All Rats EXIT this way >>>>>>>>>>>
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:00 AM
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28. Tucker rides the waves.
When hate looked good he signed on before that he was sane, so things look a little off now so he is getting out. Does not wish to give up that nice pay check.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:09 AM
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2. So Tucker admits he can't think for himself
I already knew that.
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ursacorwin Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:11 AM
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3. damn!
you people are fast! the two comments i had are already here, i'd add that tucker the talking bow tie doesn't really write his own script...he's not grown up enough for that yet.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:17 AM
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4. I would really like to see him pull a David Brock.
I think he has the capacity for it. He has always struck me as having some type of decency and integrity buried deep underneath his RW exterior.

I don't really count on it happening, but if it did, I think it would be very good for our side, and that we should embrace him. (Only if he really comes completely over and truly and completely repents.)

Both David Brock and Arrianna Huffington have been very good for our side.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:21 AM
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7. It's an interesting phenomenon...
...there are examples from both sides.

There are whacko extremists like David Horowitz that go wacko the other way.

And then there are those like Arianna and David Brock.

The most virulent anti-Catholics are ex-Catholics.

You can tell an ex-smoker by how anti-smoking they are.

etc...

Nothing like getting fooled again to enrage someones passions...
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:35 AM
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37. I wouldn't put Arianna & Brock as opposite numbers to Horowitz...
...they're not "wacko extremists" on our side.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 04:42 PM
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41. Of course not...
...I wasn't making a comparison, it was a contrast. Arianna and Brock are fairly level headed, but there was evidence that they were before they "turned". Horowitz has always been a whacko, and he went to the other extreme.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:44 AM
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11. He can't get past the RW economic fantasy
that everyone who is rich earned it or deserved it (or inherited it) -- as opposed to the reality that SOME who are rich were just ruthless misanthropes.

that anyone who is poor can get rich or 'comfortable' if they work hard enough.

that it's okay to force your countrymen to pay for wars but not to force them to pay for social benefits of any kind whatsoever.

If he spent some time looking at the corruption, and trails of money, maybe..
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No Mandate Here. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:36 AM
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22. I was working in a guy's house the other day when the Dow first dropped
below 10K and I mentioned that my retirement is further away now than it was five years ago. I was floored when he said " ...all these people who expected to retire on Social Security are idiots. Anyone who didn't move away to find a better job cannot complain about their retirement. That's what I did." I mentioned that I am hoping not to ever ask anyone if "you want fries with that?"

I had better places to be, and couldn't stay to further the discussion, but will take it up again. ( I would have been a bit too indignant, anyway)
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:12 AM
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30. I saw a flash of this possibility....
when we went to DC and sat in on Crossfire last fall (when Foxx crank called tucker's family and right before the valerie plame thing went public).... he was.... reflective.... somewhat.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:16 AM
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32. Oh crunchyfrog...
It's only 'cause you think he's cute! (Don't flame, just teasing.) :)
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:56 AM
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35. yes, I agree... He could be the next David Brock---
while bowtie boy has always gotten on my nerves, it seems like his defense of the REPUGS and specifically the BFEE has gotten a wee bit difficult for him. He seems to have nothing left but snide comments for the left.... But, given what he saw of Bush early on (that he actually had the nerve to report Bush's disgusting taunting of the woman he was soon to ensure was executed, what I strongly suspect is a very true animosity for his counterparts at Faux, he just might get a conscience.... We'll see.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:18 AM
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5. Recall that David Brock....
...while on Crossfire, let us all know that Tucker doesn't believe half of what he spouts. Here's a guy who deplores Karen Hughes as "a bold faced liar", and now this. I think we can confirm that Tucker does indeed do his share of whoring for his purse of silver pieces.
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muchacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:01 AM
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19. RINO
This is a man who mentioned he was "disturbed" when interviewing then Governer Bush he proceeded to mock a recently executed Karla Fey Tucker.

I think he's RINO. Cross dressing for his career....
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:21 AM
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6. There is a big question here
How are we going to act towards people that have previously been stridently pro-war and are now 'seeing the light' ?

I mean even Thomas Friedman is starting to make noises about this. Is he more useful employing his pen in a useful anti-war way or do I get to do to him what I've been dreaming about for over 2 years ?

It's a difficult question that needs to be hashed out. there has been one thread in this area already.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:22 AM
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9. On this particular issue...
...our goal is to stop an unjust and ill-concieved war, not to be judged "right" or be able to gloat in the correctness of our consistently held position. We should be embracing those that are waking up, at least on the Iraq war, because we want to save lives and stop the insanity.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:40 AM
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10. Yeah I think that is about right
It's a position that needs to be adopted fairly quickly because we are just seeing the first cross-overs, anybody that is also thinking about it is going to watch to see how the first cross-overs are treated before they make their decision.
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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:44 AM
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12. We've Got To Embrace Them
As Much As The "I Told You So! You Friggin Schmuck!" Would Run Thru Our Minds. Everyone Makes Mistakes, Everyone Can Be Given A Second Chance.

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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:28 AM
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21. embrace them?
no way!

i suppose we should politely tolerate them, however.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:41 AM
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25. He did not make a "mistake"
He is a paid ideologue for the extreme RW neo-cons. He did not make a "good faith" mistake.

He's only running away because his cohort's conquest is a fucking mess.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:46 AM
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14. I think something that many conservatives don't understand..
is that most people opposed to this war would prefer to have been wrong about our predictions. I think any one of us would obviously trade being "right" to get back all of the lost lives and our country's lost respect.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:45 AM
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13. I'd have MUCH more use for Carlson than Friedman.
Edited on Thu May-13-04 05:46 AM by lostnfound
Friedman is the "lukewarm" that's the enemy of the best.

At least Carlson is more honest with himself.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:49 AM
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16. I don't believe that Thomas Friedman
Edited on Thu May-13-04 05:52 AM by crunchyfrog
is seeing the light on much of anything. He always unwaveringly supported the war and still does. The only thing that he is starting to see the light on is the Bush cabal's incompetence in prosecuting the war.

He appears to have really been taken by surprise by the fact that Bush cares more about getting a second term than he does about the success of "democratizing" Iraq.

He willfully deceived himself about the Bushies precisely because he wanted that war so badly.

Whatever it is that you've been dreaming of doing to him in the last 2 years, I hope you get to.:evilgrin:
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:14 AM
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31. I will accept no less than Tucker, etc. joining the Democratic Party
as proof that he/she is sincere about being sorry for supporting the war.

The GOP has pretty much become a bloodthirsty fascist cult and will just continue to get involved in evil ventures unless they are stopped completely. The Iraq War was a disaster from the start and it was just a manifestation of the root evil of the GOP.

Staying with the GOP at this point and saying that the Iraq War was just a mistake would be like staying with the Manson Family after the Sharon Tate murders.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:58 AM
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36. Ohh, I'm not giving Friedman an inch. He has so long proclaimed
himself to be such an expert on all issues related to the Middle East and the Arab world and so whored for this war, he needs to be hung out to dry.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:44 AM
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40. Ya mean like the article he wrote before the invasion titled:
"Just Give War a Chance" (yes, that is the literal name of the article) in which he taunted the anti-war crowd, mocked their "Just Give Peace a Chance" credo and talked glowingly of how wonderful the war would be and how grateful Iraq would be and how the M.E would turn into a garden of renaissance thought and peace?

He's such a whore.
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mrgorth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:39 AM
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39. The idea is
to end the fucking war not to hold people's noses in it. Welcome them aboard.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:22 AM
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8. Carlson knew Bush was scum before the election
He interviewed Bush, when he mocked Carla Faye Tucker about pleading for her life before being executed. He then lied & denied stuff in the interview.



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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:48 AM
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15. Perhaps the rat would just jump back on
the ship even after seemingly jumping if the news would get better maybe an Osama find in October. Rats are always rats just some get wetter than others.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:55 AM
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17. actually, Carlson was in lock step witjh many who approved
Edited on Thu May-13-04 06:00 AM by Marianne
and actually formally, with their votes, gave Bush a blank check

It was their duty to declare war--but instead, they just gave Bush the blank check.

We really should get rid of that mantra that only congress can declare war. They prefer to do it this way, so that they can take over in thne next political cycle and at the same time, grab what was taken with the blank check. They do not declare war anymore--too visible. Shame on them, with the exception of a few.

The political wisdom now demands they all say something like:

"well, Bush sure did mess this up, but now that we are there......." in a very statesman like voice, bloviating about what they can do there better.

I will not support this. Grabbing the spoils using the deaths of those thousands and thousands who they had to know would be victims of their politicizing voting--and now pretending their hearts are in the righjt place to do the thing "right" will go into Iraq and be the "real" liberators.

Do not forget who voted to give Bush the unmitigated authority to invade a devastated country, that was disarmed, and shirked their own responsibility to humanity.

Now that we are there, though, I want to put my business buddies in charge--

In ten years or so we will be buying goods made in Iraq, and eating imported halvah--gleefully--forgetting how it came about.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:59 AM
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18. the big ol' ''what EVER!''
tucker is still a conservative -- a whiney, wormy, poor-bashing, conservative.
he gets one right once in a while.
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:21 AM
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20. Bow tie wearing shit. Each one of these thugs
thinks he's the first one to figure out that
Iraq is a disaster.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:38 AM
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23. Maybe he convince his trogoldyte rw buddy, Novakula...
Though I doubt it.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:40 AM
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24. He will really be pissed when he gets drafted!
Edited on Thu May-13-04 06:55 AM by Hubert Flottz
I hope he does, he'd make a great 11 bravo with that camo bowtie and that yellow streak!

BTW I heard him say on Crossfire just last week that, "The people on the left who don't support Bush's little war are UnAmerican! How can we forgive anyone like that? No he is not against Bush's crap if he helps him pull it off by supporting it on the air for whatever reason! Anyone who thinks their job is more important that their country is UNAMERICAN!
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:48 AM
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26. Anyone know who Carlson supported in 2000... Bush or McCain?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 07:08 AM
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27. "I got convinced by a friend of mine who’s smarter than I am, . . ."
Isn't that nearly everyone, Tucker? Friend or foe?

I know for sure my dog is a more critical thinker than this buffoon.
The Professor
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:07 AM
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29. The rats keep jumping
off the junta's ship. Interesting.
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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:24 AM
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33. I was gonna say.........
that I thought Tucker never did support this war. He supports bush but not this war. Believe me, I'm no fan of Tucker's.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:30 AM
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34. So, I guess that Tucker
now wishes that Saddam were still in power? Isn't that the RNC-approved rejoinder to anyone who thinks the war was a mistake?
:shrug:
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