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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:35 PM
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Has any official come up with an explation for the orange jumpsuit
that Berg was wearing when he was killed? This is such a crucial clue why is no one raising it?
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Snoggera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:37 PM
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1. No
It's like a bad movie. Suspend your disbelief. Don't question any of the poor editing, bad script and inexperienced actors.

Just watch and enjoy! And, don't remember what the other news is.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:37 PM
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2. This haunts me more than any damn thing.
It's almost as if they're taunting us. That's right, he's in our custody. Yes, we're his killers. Now what do you think you can you do about it?
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seventhson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:39 PM
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3. It is a warning to the rest of us from Cheney: Psyops
cross them and this is what will happen to you (meant for soldiers, civilians, whistleblowers, pacifists, and DUers, to name a few)

The men who did this were US contractors for Rummy/Cheney and Bush.

Rove probably orchestrated it with the "wag the dog" committee.

But it was so inept it was probably overseen by Consoleeza Rice.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:42 PM
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4. Jesus Christ on Friggin' Roller-Skates...
Please look at the thing. It is home-made. It's a costume made out of satin or silk or some other thin shiny fabric... it was made to resemble a US prison jumpsuit for the symbolism of it.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:46 PM
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8. (it's available everywhere, but here's a handy link)
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:36 AM
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11. Probably not silk.
Posted by crossroads on another thread:

``3. It is forbidden for Muslim men to wear natural silk and gold. The wearing of a ring made of gold is forbidden for men, However, it is lawful for women. The prophet illustrated this to us through many ahadith, as in the one reported by Imam Abu-Dawood and Annesa'i, from Ali said: "One time I saw the prophet (S.A.W.) taking silk in his right hand and gold in his left and said: "These two are forbidden to the males of my ummah (or nation)"."

http://www.islam1.org/khutub/M_Perspective_W_Life_3.htm

Do you think Muslims would keep silk around the house to use for homemade costumes even though the men are prohibited from wearing it?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:43 PM
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I see two possibilities
1) It was a standard U.S. orange jump suit used in prisons.

2) It was a Middle Eastern garment chosen to look like a U.S. orange jump suit used in prisons.

The video is not a high enough quality for me to make a judgement either way.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:43 PM
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5. Why would you want to believe an official explation /sic/?
Aren't all "official" pronouncements on this case considered immediately suspect?

/sarcasm toned down but definitely not off/

It has been suggested SEVERAL TIMES in SEVERAL THREADS over the PAST TWO DAYS that the orange garb Nick Berg was wearing at the time of his murder was in fact NOT a prison issue jumpsuit.

Evidence supporting this claim was based on analysis of the still shots from the video. Various people suggested that his garb was made of a fabric too shiny and too fluid/drapy to be standard prison poplin. Also, the sleeves were shorter and wider than what was shown on prisoners.

Sleeve length of course can be altered, but I think the description of the fabric would sufficient.

Also, there were people insisting that what Berg was wearing had to be prison garb because he had been in prison. however, he had been released on 6 April and didn't go missing until 9 april and in the meantime had returned to his hotel room, so it seems logical to assume that he had changed out of whatever clothes he had been released in. Add to that the fact that he was probably not released in an orange prison jumpsuit anyway.

If you have a better theory, feel free to post it.

Tansy Gold, who has actually thought of several interesting possibilities but isn't sharing them with anyone :evilgrin:

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ant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:43 PM
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6. what sort of explanation is needed?
Maybe they just bought it online.

I don't see why the fact that he was wearing an orange jumpsuit means anything. I don't see how it would've been difficult for his kidnappers to find one, and considering their claim that this is revenge for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners it makes sense that they would make him wear one.

What am I missing here?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 09:43 PM
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7. Actually, it was noted yesterday ...
That the 'orange jumpsuit' was not actually a jumpsuit, but a loosly fitting 'silken' or 'satin' outfit ... it had a significant sheen which reflected light like silk does .... \

NOW that I have said that: how would this 'fact' impact your speculations ? ...
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:06 PM
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9. The "sheen" appeared to be an artifact of the poor quality video image.
What you're seeing on TV is video recorded from a website. The result is similar to what happens when you duplicate a duplicate of an original videotape. It's called "smearing" in the industry, and is consistent with the appearance of everything else in the video. It's very unlikely imho that the actual outfit was shiny or satiny. That effect is just an artifact of the image quality.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:45 AM
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10. While I agree that such artifacts exist ...
(I think this is also called Aliasing) ...

I didnt see THOSE shiny reflections as 'smearing' ...

It seemed as bona fide satin reflections ....

The point may be moot: since EITHER any muslim OR any american OR any other person on this earth can obtain silk ....

Wasnt a body found ? .... What was it wearing ?
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:52 AM
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14. look at how bright the GITMO suits are below
:(
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:40 AM
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12. there's a mexican tailor who swears its a US prisoner jumpsuit
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:45 AM
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13. Here is the GITMO issued suit for a comparison
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:49 AM
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15. Just speculation
But I am guessing that someone within the Iraqi police handed him over to these thugs. There is such a short time between the U.S./Iraqi detention of Berg and his "last known contact" that I think it's a possibility that the Iraqi police (whom we all know to be super-corrupt) are involved.
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