Question for the faked video people.

Preface: I'm not trying to debunk anyone here, honestly haven't read that much about it and am trying to learn your perspective.

My question is this: What is the purpose for killing Berg first, and then cutting off his head? Wouldn't it serve the same purpose to just do it for real on camera? Or are you claiming Berg is still alive somewhere?

I just don't see why anyone would go to the trouble to do this. I'm sure if CIA guys are evil enough to murder people they are evil enough to behead a live man. And conversely, whats to say the Arabs weren't just squeamish about killing a live man, so they killed him ahead of time, and then cut off his head on video? It would still accomplish thier goal.

Berg is pretty certainly dead (although the guy in the video doesn't look much like the earlier photos of Berg).

The real issue is who killed him. The anomalies with the tape are red herrings that only matter if they call into question the veracity of the portrayed events, or more importantly, the audio track.

I just don't see why anyone has to pose that the killing itself was a fake in order to pin it on the US.

The way I see it there are 4 combinations being bandied about

1. Live decapitation/US-CIA did it
2. Live decapitation/Al Qaida did it
3. Corpse decapitation/ US-CIA
4. Corpse decapitation/ Al Qaida.

I just don't understand how tearing apart the first part (live or dead) helps us solve the only important question: Who. Does it matter how? the man is dead! Who did it is the only important question.

It's got to be horrendous beyond belief to be behaded -- slowly -- while alive. Dead is dead, it's true, and you're right that WHO is the more important question.

OTOH who knows? Someone said Perle was dead first too. Maybe that's an MO to look at?

manipulated. Knowing details of the actual murder can sometimes lead to facts that find the murderer.

There is a pronounced edit, and he is clearly dead as his head is severed.

So what was the purpose of that? :shrug:

so they had to reconstruct it.

http://www.indiaexpress.com/news/world/20020518-3.html

To answer your question in a word - convenience. If you have to explain a body that died of something else why not make the best of a bad situation (whether you are a terrorist or a prison guard)? I agree with the other posters that the more important question is who and I have no answers to that, just more questions. Why would a Jordanian Wahabi conservative where a gold ring as reported by ABC news?

"Wouldn't it serve the same purpose to just do it for real on camera? Or are you claiming Berg is still alive somewhere?

I just don't see why anyone would go to the trouble to do this."

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I'm saying if you already are going to kill a man and cut off his head, it WOULD be a lot of trouble to fake it and arouse suspicion rather than to just do it live on video.

I suppose if you never intended to kill anyone, then faking would not be "trouble". But I dont see anyone suggesting that this is a rubber dummy and Berg is alive somewhere in a bunker.

nt.

don't consider murder a game.

Yes, I misunderstood your question. Berg is (has?) been shipped home in a glorious pine box, so a rubber dummy would be quite out of the question. I haven't seen anyone question whether the guy was actually dead. The faked video debate as far as I know is focused on the lack of blood when beheaded, time differential on the timestamp, the US issue orange jumpsuit, the gold ring, the white resin chair, the size and demeanor of the captors, lousy audio, al-jazeera not finding the video on the site it was supposedly from, the issue of the AK-47s, and ect. I am not an expert on any of this, but it makes for great reading.

Frustrating, isn't it?

Now we have the added mysteriousness of the background of the Berg decapitation looking like the walls of the prison--same color, same dark baseboard. We have that white chair. We have a red carpet on the floor. We have Caucasian hands. We have . . . well, what the hell do we have?

See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x553455#553823