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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:23 AM
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Let's compare these two photos:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1579884

Can someone with greater skill at doing this please put these two pictures side by side? Thankyou.

We know that Charles Graner Jr (with the electrician gloves on) is standing up against the wall. We also know that the fat bastard is a civilian translator. Who is the guy with the green fatigues? This person seems to be of importance.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:32 AM
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1. I'm playing with corel to get some correlations, but until I'm done....




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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:34 AM
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2. It might be helpful to flip one of the photos horizontally.
Edited on Fri May-14-04 12:34 AM by Cat Atomic
The white plastic chair suggests one is has been reversed.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:37 AM
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3. taken from the other end of the hall, upstairs
Edited on Fri May-14-04 12:39 AM by Must_B_Free
not flipped by software

and shorts guy is behind the fan in the upper photo. You can see his black shorts peeking out.
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:37 AM
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4. The perspective changes
The second picture has the prisoners pointing toward the viewer. The first picture has them pointed toward the end of the hall.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:57 AM
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11. The prisoners are also closer to the white chair.
Suggesting that they have been moved.
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:37 AM
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5. Or that they were taken from opposite ends of the coridor, 180º different.
2 cameramen? 1 cameraman wandering around on the upper level?
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:42 AM
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6. Ah- I think you guys are right. You have sharper eyes than I.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:46 AM
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7. Working on that.
The pic is not flipped - it's from the other end of the hall. Were these taken the same day? Same camera? Anyone know?

Pcat.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:16 AM
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15. anyone have a place to upload pictures?
I gotta fly later this year, and cavity searches bug me a the dentist.... *grin*

Pcat
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:22 AM
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16. Thankyou for putting these two pictures side by side.
This really helps alot!
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:55 AM
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10. my guess is #2 is not just a translator
he looks like an active participant.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:40 AM
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17. The tall husky guy with the gloves on....
has the same posture as the guy on the corner of the 5 killing Berg. Look at his boots, they're the same boots. Don't know how to paste photo of 5 killers next to above photo.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:50 AM
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18. Can you give us a link?
Just to compare, of course.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:53 AM
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20. The person in the first photo, talking to someone else...
center of photo, that looks like a petite woman. Look at her feminine hips. I saw Englad in another photo wearing exactly the same brown color t-shirt and her arms look the same as that female in that photo.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:26 AM
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23. I suspect those brown tee-shirts are pretty common in Iraq
these days.

I'm not saying it isn't England, but I wouldn't want the ID to hang on a brown tee-shirt.

Ditto on the army boots mentioned in a previous post.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:54 AM
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21. Also, notice the three open doors in the second picture.
Are those the three cells from these three prisoners?
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:22 AM
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22. On the far up of photo #1...
behind the guy carrying some papers, there's another naked leg of someone standing,which could be the activity taking place in photo #2. By the swing of the arm, the person carrying the paper(s) is walking toward the guy wearing the green cap. There are other legs and boots. There's a white head light in the center of both photos, and the white plastic chair on the left of photo #1.

Photo #2 you can see the second bloor clearly. It looks as if the photograph is on the second floor.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 06:11 AM
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27. Who is #4 in the second picture
And why doesn't he have anything on except a pair of shorts? That's an odd way to dress when you're on duty?

Also #2 is pretty heavy for a soldier. More likely Intel or a private contractor?
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:49 AM
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8. Is the guy with the green fatigues, no. 3?
Hard for me to tell with my limited capability. Anyone with photo-shop get a more close up look?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:50 AM
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9. yes
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 12:59 AM
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12. man that white plastic chair is verry popular
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=1469025&t=-1#Post1469025
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:05 AM
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Ummm. Those types of chairs are pretty common.
I'm looking at other things than just the white chair in these photos....the electrician gloves, the green fatigues, the so-called translator, the GI with the black shorts...etc. All suggest that these two photos were taken on the same day from two different perspectives.
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:43 AM
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24. are they common in Iraq?
is that a common color to paint the walls? (the walls in both the prision and where the man were executed are the same color) you have to be aggressive in your investigation and questioning, notice EVERYTHING!!!
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:05 AM
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13. Dupe
Edited on Fri May-14-04 01:06 AM by icymist
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:10 AM
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14. In further thought... you have a point there.
Berg was executed in the same type of chair.
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 01:53 AM
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19. BOTH of these shots make me wonder...
They were supposed to be casually shot with a digital camera right? Was the photographer of these acts that the military obviously wouldn't want released.... hanging of the side of the wall and then from the roof when taking said shots?

I mean, seriously, the angles these pictures are shot at, seem totally ... just wrong. I'm not saying this about all the photos, just the few that are taken at these kind of angles.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 05:42 AM
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25. The white chairs
My parents have got them as garden furniture. My ex had them out in Hungary.

A lot of the government buildings were ransacked just after the war, the buildings were striped of everthing, so when the u.s. moved into them they had to buy a whole load of furniture cheap so they bought a job lot of these white chairs (amoung other things). (my guess)
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 06:08 AM
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26. It's no. 3 we need to know the name of
It seems more that a little annoying that all the other guys are named but no. 3 sort of gets lost in the mix, almost as though MSNBC have clearence to identify everybody except no. 3.

As for the pictures being in the same series I nearly posted in the original DU thread that there would be other pictures of that scene because that is what you do when you take pictures, take three or four. My guess there is photograph in the series that would better enable us to identify no. 3, wether it will be released is another matter. I bet Sy Hersh has a copy of it.
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