Berg in a Wal-Mart Chair?

I don't know how to post pictures, but if you would check out this link and let me know what you think. If these pics are real . . . holy freaking moly.

http://marc.perkel.com/index.html

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looks quite familar, are they standard issue in iraqi prisons?

of the pictures taken there by US military. Really interesting huh?

those chairs are not simply "WalMart" chairs. They are cheapo plastic chairs mass produced in China (I toured the factory that makes them in 1990) for a variety of customers. It is not inconceivable that they should end up in Iraq somehow.

(I'm not trying to slam the doubters here, just saying that the chair in itself is not proof of anything.)

I agree - the chair in itself proves nothing. It is, though, a contribution to a disturbing set of circumstantial evidence.

If this were a normal crime scene, a forensic investigator would note such things as an identical wall colour and chair.

What on earth makes you think the US military brought white plastic chairs with them when they came to Iraq?

I have traveled in the Middle East, North Africa, all over the Mediterranean, Central and South America, the Caribbean, and Indonesia, and I have seen those white plastic chairs (not to mention white running shoes) in every one of those places.

Please, this kind of thing makes us sound like a bunch of morans.

"Look, there's a light bulb visible in the Berg video, and there were light bulbs in the Abu Grahib photos! It must be the same bulb, there COULDN'T be more than one light bulb in Iraq!!"

:eyes:

I don't know. I can't prove anything. I'm more interested in confirming whether these photos have or have not been photoshopped. I think it is interesting that the wall is yellow, that a chair similar to the one in the photo has been seen in other prison photos, that Berg is in an orange suit, and that one of the terrorists is wearing white tennis shoes.

It was not my intention to seem to be grabbing at a straw. Forgive me if that is the impression I gave you.

As I posted in another thread, if you watch National Geographic specials, or any thing on the Travel channel --they are everywhere. My sister hiked to the base camp in Himalayas and those chairs were in her pictures.

and they have orange jumpsuits all over the world

and there are Muslim fundamentalist men wearing prohibited gold rings all over the world

and people being beheaded without their blood spurting all over the world

and folks being held in US prisons for weeks without being charged all over the world

and American Jews giving their passwords to the "20th hijacker" all over the world.

Move along. Nothing to see here, folks. We'd look like complete fools if we even stopped to consider such things!

... because they are "safe". If a prisoner escapes and grabs a chair you would want them to grab a light chair that can't be used as a weapon. They would not want to have heavy metal or wooden chairs.

Mind you, I think it's within the realm of possibility that CIA special ops pulled this off, but to base it on the most common plastic furniture in existence is rather weak.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/living/8617720.htm?1c

America's plastic patio chair is popping up around the world

BY TIM NELSON

Pioneer Press

The Romans left their mark on the world — paved roads, famous archaeological remains, characters in three of Shakespeare's plays. The British, too, dispatched their navy, their tea and their mother tongue to every corner of the globe. If you can say there is an American empire, its surest symbol may be one of its humblest.

Behold the plastic patio chair.

A recent photo of an American Marine, just out of the bitter battle against insurgents in Ramadi, Iraq, showed the exhausted soldier slumped in a white plastic patio chair.

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Next up, an ode to all the fat Caucasians wearing big gold rings and tennis shoes who keep showing up in the most bizarre places ...

" CIA conspiracy... interesting...

How F*cking stupid do we think they are? If the CIA were behind this, would they have made such a HUGE number of mistakes? I don't think so, and I know I'm right!

Posted by |ngv@r at May 14, 2004 07:38 AM "


i like the way shnrub thinks

I've been wondering about that one.

How powerless do they think we are?

They know the corporate US media is never going to implicate them in this. They can afford to be sloppy. Look at the "he wasn't in our custody/yes he was" business. Any loose ends and anomolies will be left a "mystery" or a "bizarre coincidence" by the press. So, free to act with impugnity, their apparent sloppiness may be a message to those of us with eyes to see: Yes, we're this ruthless. What can you do about it?

when they allowed bush to twist and turn information to carry out an illegal war. CIA is controlled by small man bush and they carry orders under 'we serve at the pleasure of the presdident.'

Yep. These guys are true professionals.

From Iran/Contra to Tora Bora, they never leave any loose ends. :eyes:

So it means little.

But why was Berg earlier detained in Mosul for 13-days?
Did he have an "israeli stamp" in his passport?
Or was he otherwise "lacking" papers?
Both reasons have been reported.

Who detained him?
The FBI questioned him 3 times but deny he was in their custody.
Local police deny he was in their custody.
So whose custody was he in?
MI or OGA?

The US consular officer identified the US military in e-mails:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=American%20Beheaded%20E%20mail

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Thursday, May 13, 2004 · Last updated 3:19 p.m. PT

E-mails from U.S. consulate to Bergs

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Text of e-mails from Beth A. Payne, a U.S. consular officer in Baghdad, to members of the family of Nicholas Berg. Copies of the e-mails were provided to The Associated Press by the Berg family.

March 31, 2004, 3:16 p.m.

I've been trying to return your wife's call, but the line is busy. I attempted to locate your son without success. If I can locate him, I will ask him to call so you know his situation.

April 1, 1:26 a.m. (To Michael Berg, Berg's father)

I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the U.S. military in Mosul. He is safe. He was picked up approximately one week ago. We will try to obtain additional information regarding his detention and a contact person you can communicate with directly.

April 1, 5:23 a.m. (To Suzanne Berg, Berg's mother)

I have been able to confirm that your son is being detained by the U.S. military. I am attempting to identify a person with the U.S. military or FBI here in Iraq who you can contact directly with your questions.

April 2, 1:25 p.m.

I have been trying to identify a local contact here, but given the security situation in Iraq it is not easy. I will continue to try.

just on my block.

the chair, the wall color, the orange jumpsuit, the stance and physical presence of the executioners -- certainly enough that the Berg family ought to hire a good attorney and be asking some very tough questions.

... Nick Berg was accidentally killed by those out-of-control prison guards in Abu Ghraib after interviewing him on tape (for his name and family information), and to cover it up, they dressed up as terrorists and cut off his head.

The point is not that we're tin-foil-hatted wackos, but that this administration is such a bunch of lying bastards that ANYTHING is now within the realm of possibility. Thrity years from now, when George P. Bush is running against Chelsea Clinton for president, we'll find out what REALLY happened in Iraq, and I hope I'm still alive to shout "I TOLD YOU SO" from the rooftops!!!