Forgive Me For Asking - Was An Autopsy Done On Nick Berg?

It seems to me that an objective autopsy on Nick Berg's body will provide his cause of death.

Don't mean to sound uncaring.

On Edit: I read that his body was returned to the US via Dover on Wednesday, and that he was buried this morning (Friday). I am wondering if an autopsy was/could have been done in such a short timeframe (essentially one day).

perform the autopsy. One hired by the family to represent Nick and the Berg's. You're not uncaring, it's just a smart thing to do under the circumstances.

Believe NOTHING Nazis, Commies, Papa Doc's thugs, Idid Amin's Thugs, FerdinandMarcos' Thugs, or Bushevik Thugs say to you.

They are LYING.

My guess, without even looking, is that no autopsy was done on MR. Berg and if it was, the body was swiftly destroyed or made unavailable for autopsy to the family.

Wanna bet? I don't even have to look.

ON EDIT:

I went and looked. No surprises here.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=%22%28Nick+OR+Nicholas+%29+Berg%22+autopsy&btnG=Search+News

Everything that is told to us at this point is horseshit-

God help Americans right now; we are 1 step from being fucked.

So, if anyone thinks you are crass or uncaring, well, then I guess I am too.

he was already accidentally cremated and the ashes lost on their way to Germany. If this hasn't happened, I fully expect it to.

it should be done ..I hope the family insists on it.

KC

I'd prefer to know what a pathologist not connected to the admin or the military would have to say about the cause of death.

An autopsy would also show if he were alive or dead when he was beheaded.

The results of an independent autopsy would cut down on the conspiracy theories about Mr. Berg's death.

But how would it determine if he was dead when his head was cut off?

would be a pretty good clue.

I'm sure there are lot of other differences.

"untimely" death. But they are (as are cremations) against Jewish law. I'm not sure how much sway that would have in a situation like this.

any sway, this is a coroners case. Any unnatural death should be autopsied by a coroner.

is allowed to meet their relative's remains at Dover, military or not. :-(

in the case of a murder?

I certainly hope the family did their own before they buried him.

Since the family is religous it is very important in the Jewish religion, that the body must be buried before sunset on the next Sabbath, which is tonight.

...I'm going to go either with severing of the spinal cord or bleeding out from his jugular vein, whichever came first.

There you go.

How about the medical professionals on this board that watched the video and said he was already dead?

Are you completely discounting what they have written?

An autopsy needs to be done; and should been several days ago by an independent source.

Please.

paramedics don't count as "medical professionals."

I love the way you decided this man's cause of death; but people who have worked in the medical fields opinions don't count.

I am not trying to get you to believe what I think; I am trying to get you to understand that there needed to be an autopsy performed.

Hopeless.

I have no objections to anyone doing an autopsy on the body, but my point is that a "medical professional" couldn't do an autopsy, much less take his temperature without THE ACTUAL BODY ITSELF.

No one who works in the medical field would be at all "professional" if they made grand statements about cause of death from watching a damn VIDEOTAPE.

Got it?

Your original post was a smart assed comment about Nick Berg's cause of death. Something to the tune of "I would guess severace of the spinal cord or jugular bleeding."

I said, "Maybe not."

When Dr.s look at the damned videotape and say that the bleeding pattern is not consistent with what is known about that type of trauma...I tend to listen to them as opposed to snappy posters on DU.

Got that?

Nothing "smart-assed" about it. If the guy doing Berg's autopsy doesn't immediately assume one of the two causes of death I mentioned, then he's incompetent.

And please tell me exactly about these conversations you've had with doctors - or more likely, stuff you've read on the internet. Somebody's been watching too much CSI.

I was a paramedic for almost a decade.

I am back in school trying to get a degree to go back in the ER.

I learned really fast at crime scenes NOT to try and guess the cause of death...and how to look at bleeding patterns consistent with injuries.

ER nurse and critcal care specialist You are EXACTLY right on this. I don't think it is much of a leap of faith to determine if he was dead before having his head severed. I have seen blood spray from similar injuries, been present when a carotid artery was breached by disease and I know that if what I have read of the video is true this guy was dead before his head was severed. That would be the only assumption that could be made about his death. No blood pressure, no significant spray. If he had a blood pressure those guys would have covered the room with spraying blood.

If he was killed before the beheading an autopsy would reveal this. I saw the video and the blood flow wasn't right for someone who is a alive and having their head sawed off. I'm a nurse and I've seen neck injuries. Nothing of that magnitude, of course. Something just doesn't add up here. I'm sure you know all this. I wonder what your agenda is though? Why do you degrade anyone who questions this incident? :shrug:

Post after post after post of ass-whipping, Paragon.

You should be ashamed.

You might want to consider examining some evdience before you excitedly rush onward to "debunk conspiracy theorists".

You know, like the conspiracy theorists who uncovered

Watergate
Iran Contra
The Tuskegee Experiments
COINTELPRO
etc.

Just like those wackos, eh?

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Paranoid fantasy comes true? No, most of us just want the truth. What is your problem anyway? I thought you were an open minded intelligent guy?

Do you know what a skeptic truly is?

Hint: It's not someone who gets diarrhea of the mouth whenever a crazy theory comes to him or her. It's a reasonable discussion using the available FACTS.

As it is, the FACTS we have on Nick Berg are murky at very best. They may always be -- but facts don't matter much to so-called conspiracy theorists.

Dictionary definitions of a skeptic:

http://www.books.md/S/dic/skeptic.php

http://www.brainydictionary.com/words/sk/skeptic220196.html

Read 'em. In fact, you are the OPPOSITE of a skeptic.

You doubt nothing. In fact, you only doubt the skeptics. Read the definitions again. I know your ego is screaming in your ears like a tidal roar. It doesn't want you to REALLY read those inconvenient definitions that refute your high opion of your unskeptical self.

I know this effort is in vain because I have been observing ego and denial in myself and others for years. You won't even be able to properly read the definitions without your ego shouting it down. Becase, as it tells you "You are right all the time. You are right all the time. You are right all the time." and thus this easily demonstrable "misstatement" (I'll be charitable and say you were ignorant of the definition of "skeptic", rather than deliberately malicious).

Now that we know you are the OPPOSITE of what you claim to be, how then to interpret your statements.

Just the arrogant ignorance of another blowhard.

PS I know your ego won't let you hear this, but Police Officers might mention that often, and I know this seems strange to you, before the facts of a case are all laid out neatly in a row so that even an ignorant, arrogant person couldn't dismiss them out of hand, police actually go on non-factual supposition, ineference, suspicions, and hunches.

Thos wacky conspiracy theorist police officers. Always trying to prove dumbass conspiracy theories when they don't have any FACTS to back them up.

Here's where I get to do my Donald Rumslfeld imitation:

Does that mean a person who claims to be a skeptic when in fact they are the opposite mean that person is ignorant and arrogant?

You betcha!

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report themselves.

Until then, those questioning the official story, no matter how much it strains credulity, must report for reprogramming.

Very nice piece of irony.

Maybe an "investigative reporter" will see it.

But you can? And not only that, you can render legal judgments about doctors from their reaction to a videotape as well?

"If the guy doing Berg's autopsy doesn't immediately assume one of the two causes of death I mentioned, then he's incompetent."

... assuming anything from the condition of a corpse is the exact opposite of what a coroner does.

The whole idea is, brace yourself, a lot of criminals try to hide the real cause of death with another trauma of some kind to the body. To evade detection, hide the crime, throw off the dogs. You know, shoot someone then stuff them in a car and run it off a cliff or light the house on fire.

This sh*t happens quite a lot and the point of an autopsy is not to assume anything. It is to find the actual cause (and time if possible) of death.

to a person who cannot even understand what a "skeptic" is.

Always a mistake to argue with one so deluded they think they are performing "investigative journalism" here at DU.

:crazy: :silly: :silly: :crazy:

Even in the worst situation threads, for some reason, seeing your posts always make me smile and feel reassured!

Just wanted to let you know-

Stephanie

Sorry we didn't get to meet in DC, but there will be other times.

Say :hi: to Michael for me.

An autopsy is important so that these questions can be answered once and for all.

But how dare I question the powers that be. Besides, how could we exploit the horror of his beheading if we found out he was drugged or already dead and couldn't feel it?

first thing that popped into my head when I saw this thread.

It couldn't possibly something as simple as the violent detachment of his head from his body.

OTOH, I would sure like to see that autopsy performed by someone other than Imperial Doctors to satisfy mine and many others' skepticism (hell, before I said anything today to a coworker, he said "Berg got whacked by the Bushies," and 2 people nodded in agreement, to my shock and surprise).

Was he dead or alive when his head was sawed off? That is one of the many questions an autopsy could answer.

I understand the man is dead, and nothing changes that. Wouldn't you though want to determine whether he died on that video, or perhaps that he died another way - that he might have been drugged so as to feel less, in the end, wouldn't you want to know the truth?

Particularly after you tried to find him in Iraq, the government didn't help you, then lied about what happened - isn't there enough doubt to make you want the facts?

I would think the family would want an autopsy not only to confirm the cause of death, but to understand what Nick went through before he died. To look for things like signs of restraint and/or abuse, tox screen to see if he was given any drugs, stomach contents to see what he was fed, etc.

Although why won't they just trust the Imperial Family & Stooges to tell them the whole truth is beyond me!

</sarcasm off>

http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/burial/autopsy.htm

To be sensitive and responsive to the needs of the traditional Jewish family and community, it is important to understand the origin and the source of those special needs. Biblical law is clear about the requirement for immediate burial; "You must bury it (the body) on the same day" (Deut. 21:23). Jewish law therefore requires immediate burial. From this also derives the requirement for the entire body to be brought to burial, including all internal organs, even the blood, which is associated with the souls as it carries the life force through the body (See: Deut. 12:23).

There are many sources for the belief that while the soul or spirit leaves the body upon death, it is nevertheless aware and conscious of its surroundings, particularly the body, until after its return to the earth. The dignity and the respect accorded the remains is therefore significant. Any invasive procedure if seen as a desecration. Any delay in the burial and anything other than the burial of the entire body is seen as painful to the spirit and is contrary to Jewish law.

In all instances, every effort should be made to expedite the release of the body as quickly as possible.
The entire autopsy should be performed in a body pouch.
The autopsy procedure should be as minimal as possible:
Avoid incision whenever possible.
Samples for pathology should be as small as possible.
Replace all organs in their proper place; e.g. brain in suitable small plastic bag in the skull.
All instruments should be wiped clean with a cloth and the cloth should be placed in the body pouch.
Suture all incisions as tightly and leak proof as possible.
All blood or articles of clothing containing blood that are not needed for pathological or evidence purposes should be sent along with the remains to the funeral home.
When possible the entire body and especially the genitalia should be kept covered at all times.
A member to the Sacred Society of designate thereof or a Rabbi will be permitted to attend the autopsy upon request.