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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:30 PM
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A post to thank the conspiracy theorists
Edited on Fri May-14-04 02:31 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
Look, I realize some people have given you crap and been offended by your inquiries this week. I want to thank you for your efforts. Other people said, "Can't you wait?" but now the video isn't online anymore..or if it is is not easily accessible.

Thankyou for your timely curiosity even if it seemed irreverent at the time. Any person murdered deserves a timely investigation into the facts (especially contradictory facts) surrounding their death before the evidence is spoiled or destroyed.

:thumbsup:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:31 PM
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1. Ditto. Although in truth they shouldn't be called "theorists"
Edited on Fri May-14-04 02:38 PM by tom_paine
It's quite demonstrable what the Nazis, Commies, and Busheviks have conspired to do over the years.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:33 PM
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3. Until it's proven, it's a theory..so I meant no insult
Edited on Fri May-14-04 02:35 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
That's why I didn't use the word tinfoil in the post. :D
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. No offense taken
n/t
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #3
46. How much more do we all need to have before we believe in the proof?
n/t
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:40 PM
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48. Don't believe the Repukes! Theories ARE proven
Before an idea is proven, it's called a hypothesis. Something becomes a theory when it's proven. Gravity is a theory. Evolution is a theory. Repukes oppose both so the denigrate "theory".
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:32 PM
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2. A-fucking-men!
Mainstream news organizations are questioning a number of things related to this incident, a fact conveniently ignored by many people on this forum who want to shut down discussion of this topic.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:36 PM
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4. No doubt. When I saw the video, I immediately thought that this was
a terrorist act committed by terrorists and didn't look beyond the what I saw in the video. Now, I realize there is more to this story then we are being told and there should be a discussion regarding the massive inconsistencies surrounding this story.

Another :thumbsup: for those who are thoughtfully considering the circumstances surrounding this bizarre story.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:39 PM
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6. Yup. They've taken a lot of shit, but as it goes on, this story gets weird
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:39 PM
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7. The first thing I thought when I heard about it
was that the CIA might have done it. I've seen no evidence that makes that theory any less likely than the theory that Islamist terrorists did it.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:45 PM
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8. I also think that there are folks in the military and intel community who
will get the truth to Kerry's camp as soon as they can nail it.

Remember when Bush tried to cover up Tore Bora and some military brass got the truth of its failure to Kerry.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
31. Oh they are, they are! Law enforcement is very busy right now!
NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 11:12 PM
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34. Hi Bob!
Hope you're right about that...

also wish you would share some of you sources :)
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:45 PM
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9. That is what I think as well and it puts this pit in my stomach.
It makes me feel sick. Then I will have a moment that I think "that is crazy! My government wouldn't do that" then reality sets in and I feel like I could barf. It has been a roller coaster ride for me trying to come to terms with this.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #9
24. Honey, your government has done a lot of things that will make
you even sicker when you find out the truth about them.

There was a time when I eschewed pretty much any and all "conspiracy theories" just on principle. For example, I kept seeing references to Prescott Bush and Nazis. I shrugged it off and refused to even delve into it.

Then I got educated. Most of that education was at DU.

Now, knowing what I know and what many (tho by no means all) DUers know, there aren't many "conspiracy theories" I automatically reject out of hand. And in fact, I don't believe I can think of a one that hasn't panned out or (as in the case of the Wellstone crash, for example) isn't still a great big ole question mark or a full set of them.

And when you've got people in the government who believe lying is an appropriate if not preferred way to govern (see Neocons and Leo Strauss, esp. articles by or about Shadia Drury), and when said government hasn't told a single TRUTH that we know of, you question EVERYTHING or you're just willingly playing the dupe.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. all good people will stop this
Edited on Fri May-14-04 10:32 PM by Alerter_
this cuts across culture and religion and race. AND gender.

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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:16 AM
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39. I can't believe the CIA did it.
In all the reading I've done about Iraq + Al-qaeda + Osama + Zarqawi + Ansar al-Islam, it seems the CIA and FBI did their job, given extreme limitations, correctly analyzing the situation, and acknowledging the limitations of their knowledge. But their analysis was ignored/abused at the political level.

Surely that must drive the field analysts crazy. What must they think? Well, we have an idea what they think.

This is from AFP 14 months ago:
"It is impossible to support the bald conclusions being made by the White House and the Pentagon given the poor quantity and quality of the intelligence available. There is uproar within the intelligence community on all of these points, but the Bush White House has quashed dissent."

These are clearly good people, doing their job with the best of intentions. But at the top...

And there is the lawless contractor group that is capable of anything it sounds like.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:33 PM
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47. There are good guys in the CIA and Bush loyalists in the CIA.
This election is going to be a siesmic shift...historical shift...with the good guys in the intel community rooting out the bad guys.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:55 PM
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10. We just can't accept the appearance of things, and their spin, anymore.
What's more, the administration has given us every reason to question them. Everything concerning this junta needs examination.

We run the risks of ridicule and sometimes getting it wrong, but, well...so? The truth will bubble to the top.

Tinoire deserves special credit for taking the lead on the story. She dug up some jaw-dropping stuff.

:thumbsup:
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #10
36. Too sweet. Both you & NSMA
and everyone else who appreciated it. We're all bringing Bush down so being a small irritating cog in their neo-con wheel was a labor of "love". ;)
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:57 PM
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11. You're welcome!
Edited on Fri May-14-04 03:06 PM by librechik
:tinfoilhat:


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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 02:58 PM
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12. I second that ...n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 03:00 PM
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13. I'll add another pat on the back for these thick-skinned folks
Thanks for having the courage to think 'outside the box' y'all!
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 03:10 PM
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14. i'll offer my thanks
and appreciation. the amount of info collected by fellow DUers for analysis will keep me busy for a while. Thank You Y'All.

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AlanInDallas Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 03:14 PM
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15. video is still available
hey they video of Nick Berg is available on kazaa. just FYI.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Thanks for the info
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 03:25 PM
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16. Yes, question everything and take nothing for granted.
That's how a true democracy works. No one is above scrutiny, something this administration doesn't like.
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Insider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 03:33 PM
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17. right on

Any person murdered deserves a timely investigation into the facts (especially contradictory facts) surrounding their death before the evidence is spoiled or destroyed.

applies across the whole spectrum.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:15 PM
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19. The Government does seem to have a habit of losing...
...evidence. Listen to the 3:33 minute audio clip for another missing video.





*********

Go to http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1846269 for a short but interesting audio clip. Click on "All Things Considered audio" and you can listen in RealAudio or Windows Media.

Also of interest:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20040419/ap_on_go_c...

Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer
Mon Apr 19, 6:59 PM ET

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

*SNIP*

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

*SNIP*

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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:17 PM
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20. I'll join in
Thanks for providing me with more than a few laughs. I say go for it, don't ever stop with the wacky speculations (the wackier the better), this forum wouldn't be as fun without them.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:40 PM
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21. Thanks also. Dang if I don't learn a lot when a lot of this info. starts
being passed around. Technical info. on computer files, audio, etc. Doesn't mean that I always understand all of that technical info., but at least it's there!

Other info. that may be foggy in my memory comes back up, too, so I have an opportunity to copy it to a disk or print it.

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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:49 PM
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22. Your welcome, nsmam!
Gee, nobody's ever thanked me for that before.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 04:52 PM
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23. Great post, and great work by researchers!
:toast:
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 06:25 PM
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25. there's a white lawn chair on my grassy knoll
and i'm having a beer in my orange jumpsuit with paul wolfowitz
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. Hahaha
you nut!
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:38 PM
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27. I'll add my thanks also
Never stop questioning and researching. I appreciate all the questions and new information.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:10 PM
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28. In honor of Ductape Fatwa"One mans conspiracy theory is another mans
business plan"
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:50 PM
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30. (Gracefully bowing in glowing acceptance of Nothingshocksmeanymore's
generous praise). And also in homage to my brothers and sisters of the faith. :tinfoilhat: Walla walla oooga boooga walla walla.

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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:58 PM
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32. Too cool.
A big :thumbsup: to NSMA. This needed saying, even if the wal-mart chair bit was too much. I'll refrain from naming a prominent DUer whom I like, but who felt a need to needlessly trash people for asking legitimate questions. Question Dubya, indeed.
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ermoore Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 11:02 PM
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33. Agreed, but . . .
"Thankyou for your timely curiosity even if it seemed irreverent at the time. Any person murdered deserves a timely investigation into the facts (especially contradictory facts) surrounding their death before the evidence is spoiled or destroyed."

That's what they deserve. What they don't deserve is ridiculous speculation by people who are not qualified and who, frankly, don't know shit. That's what they got from the wannabe Sherlock Holmes's here at DU.

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. Yeah but I question everything...so I question him too
throw it against the wall...it might stick. Some MAY say it is irreverent towards his family and his life...compared to what? The gruesome circumstances of his death? I don't think so.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 11:18 PM
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35. I'll add my thanks...
...and hope that we never stop asking questions. The truth never fears the light of day.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:19 AM
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41. I just disapprove of the jumping to conclusions
and I mean jumping.

Question everything, but question yourself as well. Question your own perceptions and your own desires.

I see a lot of people seeing things that simply aren't there out of some desire for a scandal.

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thegreatone2020 Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:45 AM
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42. shadows in video
ive been reading different clues as to a conspiracy theory and have not seen anyone say anything about the discrepancy in the way the shadows are cast. it seems as though bergs shadow is cast in a different direction than the people standing behind him...anyone see this also??
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:55 AM
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43. Great post.
nt
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:09 AM
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44. As a BBV conspiracy theorist Thanks NSMA!
:evilgrin: :thumbsup: :toast:
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Delano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 03:39 AM
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45. I've been all for all inquiry from the beginning.
Posting threads with the headline: "The CIA Killed Berg!!!!!!!" Is not an inquiry.

People were and are being premature in deciding what exactly happened.

I'm not saying to "just leave it to the authorities", but I am saying that you better have really good factual proof before you bandy about accusations, or you'll look silly.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #45
51. The people look far sillier believing anything this admin says
Which is more likely? That the CIA killed Berg, or that a terrorist that is an amputee but walks with no limp and is reportedly dead killed Berg?

I'm not negating that some of it is over the top...and I think people are free to challenge those that are over the top...but challenging is not the same as trying to silence them or use mob rule to try to chase them out of DU.

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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 12:45 PM
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49. The work is not over yet
The 9-11 commission is in strict cover up mode.

HELP SHINE THE LIGHT

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commission will be questioning former mayor Rudy
Giuliani. The family steering committee
(http://www.911independentcommission.org) has issued
the following list of 19 questions they want the 9/11
commission to ask. Here they are in the form of an
ACTION ALERT. Please participate by sending the
following statement of support to the 9/11 commission
as well as alternative media outlets that might cover
the story. Also, forward it to others and ask them to
do the same. Let's exploit this window of opportunity!

LETTER TO THE 9/11 COMMISSION
(copy and paste)

-----
Dear 9/11 Commission,

Please ask former NYC Mayor Rudy Guiliani the following
questions as requested by the Family Steering Committee.

1. A few short weeks after 9/11, tons of metal from the
collapsed twin towers was sold to scrap yards in New
Jersey. Thereafter, the steel was re-sold to other
recyclers in the United States and overseas. Anecdotal
evidence suggests that the “scrap” has ended up in
India, Japan, South Korea, China and Malaysia.

It is the FSC’s position that the thousands of pounds
of debris was crime-scene evidence. It should have been
examined, catalogued, and stored in a secure location.

Why were the steel beams sold and shipped overseas and
not retained as evidence? Was the material examined
before it was sent overseas? If examined, then by whom?
Were any diagnostic studies/tests performed? If not,
then why? Whose responsibility was this?

Former FBI Acting Director Thomas Pickard said that the
FBI wanted to take over Ground Zero and make it a crime
scene as was done at the Pentagon. If that had occurred
all materials from the scene would have been protected
until an investigation was complete. Pickard also
stated that you, Mayor Giuliani, would not allow the
FBI access to the pit area. Is this accurate? If so,
then what was your reason for keeping the nation’s
chief investigatory team—the FBI, out of Ground Zero?

2. On 9/11, rooftop doors to both of the World Trade
Center towers were locked. Thus, rooftop rescue by
helicopter was impossible. Who made the decision to
lock the rooftop doors? When was this decision made?
Why was this decision made? Whose responsibility was it
to communicate to the building leaseholders and
occupants that rooftop doors would be locked in the
event of a catastrophe and/or emergency? Did locking
the rooftop doors violate New York City or New York
State building codes?

3. Firefighters lost their lives on 9/11 due to faulty
equipment, such as radios. These were the same radios
that failed in 1993. Who was in charge of buying and
testing equipment for the firefighters? During your
administration were there any requests by either the
NYPD or FDNY to increase budget appropriations for
emergency apparatus such as radios?

4. Many high level officials were warned not to fly
commercially, prior to 9/11. Were you warned not to fly?
5. As Mayor of New York City, did you interface with
either the FBI/NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF)
or the FBI’s Bin Laden Unit from January 2001 to
September 11, 2001? If so, what was the extent of your
communications with them? What actions, if any, were
taken on behalf of your administration at the request
of the JTTF or the Bin Laden Unit?

6. What precautions were put in place after the 1993
WTC bombing to protect the citizens of New York City
and the occupants of the WTC in the likely event of
another attack?

7. After the 1993 bombing of the WTC, what, if any,
measures were taken to ensure that in the next
emergency, the evacuation of the WTC occupants would be
swifter, more methodical, and more decisive?

8. What "Memorandums of Understanding,"(MOUs) if any,
were in effect between the PA of NY&NJ, the City of New
York, the FDNY and any other emergency agency that
would address the need to respond to an emergency at
the WTC? What legal implications, if any, did these
MOU’s have? If they had no legally binding effect, then
for what purpose did such agreements exist?

9. What, if any, emergency plan did the City of New
York have in place prior to and/or on 9/11, considering
that NYC was a "prime" terrorist target?

10. Why did you ask to have your records as Mayor of
New York City sealed for 25 years?

11. Was there ever a recommendation to improve the
venting of the emergency stairwells in the WTC after
the 1993 bombing and if so, was it ever done?

12. Mr. Giuliani, several members of the Family
Steering Committee attended a meeting with you in 2002
at which time you told us that you were against, and
would not support, the formation of an independent
commission to examine the events of 9/11.

Why did you oppose the creation of this commission?
Given the revelations that have emerged during
commission hearings, do you still regard their work as
unimportant and unnecessary? Do you now believe it is
beneficial to have the public well informed about the
actions of the government, its agencies and its public
officials?

13. On 9/11, no aircraft hit WTC 7. Why did the
building fall at 5:20 PM that evening? Larry
Silverstein is heard on a PBS tape saying "I remember
getting a call from the, E.R., fire department
commander, telling me that they were not sure they were
gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've
had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest
thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to
pull and we watched the building collapse,"
said Larry Silverstein, WTC Leaseholder. - PBS (9/10/02) Does
"pull" mean demolished? What do you know about this?

14. Regarding the air quality of Ground Zero during and
after the 9/11 attacks, did the City of New York at any
time carryout screenings or tests independent of the
EPA? If so, what were the results of those tests?
Immediately after 9/11 did you, Mayor Giuliani, have
any conversations with Christine Whitman about the air
quality at Ground Zero and lower Manhattan? Where are
all records of these conversations? What was the
substance of these conversations? What actions were
taken or not taken as a result of Ms. Whitman’s
opinions or recommendations? Were you in agreement with
Ms. Whitman’s official position to not deem Ground Zero
a superfund site? If so, what was the basis of your
reason?

15. On the morning of 9/11 Battalion Chief Pfeiffer
stated over an open emergency radio that Flight 11
hitting WTC 1 was, “not an accident”. At exactly what
time did you consider the City of NY under attack? Was
it before or after the second plane had hit WTC 2?

16. During the summer of 2001 what contact did you have
with the FBI/NYPD Joint Terrorism Task Force and FBI
Headquarters? Former FBI Acting Director Thomas Pickard
has said that the FBI shared all information concerning
possible terrorist threats with NYC officials. What
precautions and protocols did you enact as a result of
JTTF information? What precautions and protocols did
you enact as a result of the credible threat posed by
al-Qaeda during the week of sentencing at the Embassy
bombing trial at the Federal Courthouse in downtown New
York City?

17. Please detail all contact you had during the summer
of 2001 with FEMA. What actions were carried out at the
direction of FEMA? Specifically, what was the content
of your conversations with Mr. Joe Allbaugh?

18. Please explain the presence of the FBI at the WTC
during the two weeks prior to 9/11. Were you informed
of their increased surveillance? How was the City of
New York included in such increased surveillance? What
actions were carried out by the NYPD to facilitate the
FBI’s increased surveillance?

19. Mr. Giuliani, immediately following the attacks an
after action report was ordered for the Pentagon. Was a
similar report ordered for New York City? If not, why
not?
-----

EMAIL QUICK-LIST
(copy and paste into the "to" field)

info@9-11Commission.gov,
familyliaison@9-11Commission.gov,
webmaster@septembereleventh.org

Also, send this to media outlets you think might cover
the story. All newspaper internet links can be found at:

http://www.onlinenewspapers.com

*******************************************
4. NYC event May 22nd: Stop the 9/11 Cover-up!

If you live in the New York area, please attend the
following event sponsored by NY 9/11 Truth
(www.ny911truth.org). The event is FREE, with suggested
donation.

STOP THE 9/11 COVER-UP: A SEPTEMBER 11TH WIDOW SPEAKS
OUT

May 22, 2004
6 PM (doors), 7 PM (speakers)
The Riverside Church, Harlem NYC

SPEAKERS:

ELLEN MARIANI
Lost her husband Neil on UA 175, is among the more than
one hundred families of Sept. 11th who have refused the
U.S. government's hush-money settlement (average award:
$1.8 million) so that they can pursue legal action to
discover the truth.

PHIL BERG
Former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania, is Mrs.
Mariani's counsel in her historic lawsuit against the
Bush administration for racketeering (RICO), allowing
the Sept. 11th attacks, and obstruction of justice.

SANDER HICKS
Publisher of Jim Hatfield's controversial Bush
biography "Fortunate Son," journalist with INN World
Report, is a powerful voice within the 9/11 Truth
Movement.

AND SPECIAL GUEST SCOTT RITTER
Former Marine and UN Chief Weapons Inspector for Iraq,
boldly stated before the invasion that Iraq had no
significant weapons of mass destruction. He is a
powerful voice against war and against the challenge to
constitutional government at home.

Join 9/11 Widow Ellen Mariani and her lawyer Phil Berg,
former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania to learn
about their RICO (federal racketeering) suit against
President Bush and other high level members of his
administration based upon prior knowledge of 9/11;
knowingly failing to act, prevent or warn of 9/11; and
the ongoing obstruction of justice by covering up the
truth of 9/11.

In this historic convergence of the 9/11 truth and
anti-war movements, Ms. Mariani and her attorney Philip
Berg will be joined at this event by outspoken Iraq war
critic and former UNSCOM weapons inspector Scott
Ritter, in his first appearance at a 9/11 centered
event in what is largely seen as a sign, along with the
high visibility of the 9/11 cover-up issue at the large
March 20th anti-war events in New York and San
Francisco, of the increasing perception among the
anti-war movement that government complicity in the
events of 9/11 is a very real possibility.

On May 22nd, at the Riverside Church, where Martin
Luther King delivered his historic April 4, 1967 speech
against the Vietnam War, the new Antiwar movement and
the 9/11 Truth movement shall combine into a powerful
new presence that declares: "Those who seek peace and
justice must fight first for truth and freedom."

*******************************************
5. Sample letter to mainstream newspapers

The Bush Administration is on the defensive with all
that is happening in Iraq. Now is the time to bombard
the media with the 9/11 issue. The following is a
sample letter to the editor to send to your local
newspapers. We have carefully written this letter in a
way to maximize its chances of being published, by
focusing on issues that have already been addressed in
the mainstream media and by using the "acceptable"
lead-in of "debunking conspiracy theories." (Remember
in your letter to the editor to include your city and
phone number at the end. Newspaper internet links can
be found at http://www.onlinenewspapers.com)

SAMPLE LETTER
(copy and paste or use your own words)

-----
Dear editors,

It is time to debunk the growing number of conspiracy
theories surrounding the Bush Administration and 9-11.
How can we do this? By getting some answers to critical
questions being asked by the 9/11 families. If 9/11
resulted from massive intelligence and air defense
failures, as the Administration maintains, why has no
one been held accountable? Why has not a single person
has been reprimanded? And why has the 9/11 commission
not addressed these important questions? Simple answers
could easily dispel accusations of Administration
complicity.

For example, FBI Agent Coleen Rowley stated that when
her office attempted to alert higher ups in the FBI of
the suspicious, pre 9-11 activities of Zacharias
Moussaoui, the heads at FBI . . . "seemed to have been
consistently, almost DELIBERATELY thwarting the
Minneapolis FBI agents' efforts." Why? And why did
George Tenet, Director of the CIA, take no action when
he received the now famous Phoenix Memo in August 2001
titled, "Islamic Extremists Learn to Fly," which warned
about Al Queda members attending US flight schools?

Massive air defense failures occurred on 9/11 violating
standard operating procedures of NORAD and the FAA. On
top of this the Administration had received numerous
threat warnings from multiple sources specifically
mentioning hijackings. This should have resulted in an
even higher state of air defense readiness. Yet on
9-11, NORAD was bizarrely unable to scramble fighter
jets to intercept any of the hijacked planes. Why?
There was over an hour and a half between the time when
the first planes were known to be hijacked and Flight
77 is claimed to have hit the Pentagon? Why has no one
in the FAA or NORAD been reprimanded for these
incredible air defense failures?

Why did Bush sit in an elementary school for over half
an hour after being told the country was under attack,
seemingly unconcerned about what was happening as well
as for his own personal safety? Why did he not do his
job as Commander in Chief? And why has the 9/11
Commission not held him accountable for this?

And what was the head of Pakistani Intelligence, Ahmad
Umar Sayeed Sheikh, doing in Washington DC on 9/11
meeting with Administration officials? According to the
Times of India, this man had wired $100,000 to Mohammed
Atta in the weeks before 9/11. After this was revealed,
he quietly resigned and has never been investigated by
the Administration.

And then there are the insider stock trades made during
the few days prior to 9/11 against United and American
Airlines, which netted over $2.5 million in "winnings"
on 9/11. These "put options" were made through AB Brown
Trust, whose CEO used to be a man named Buzzy Krongard,
the current Executive Director of the CIA. To date
these winnings are still unclaimed, and the neither the
FBI nor the Federal Exchange Commission has
investigated who mad them.

These are just a few of the unanswered questions
surrounding 9/11 that are not being addressed by the
Kean commission. (More of them our detailed in Dr.
David Ray Griffin's meticulously sourced book, "The New
pearl harbor.") And it's questions like these that fuel
the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. If the Bush
Administration has nothing to hide, they should debunk
the conspiracy theories and provide answers to the
above questions. If not they will forever cast a shadow
over the events of 9-11, and over our nation as a whole.

Sincerely,

your name
-----

If you don't want to use your own name, you can also
use the original author's name here:

Bill Douglas
www.911Visibility.org
Overland Park, KS
913-648-2256

*******************************************
6. Sign these online petitions if you haven't already.

http://www.petitiononline.com/911ftt/petition.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/11601TFS/petition.html


*******************************************
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